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Solas. We are seed. Together.
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Flowered Field.
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Five years.
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Half an hour.
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2030, 2030.
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And we continue clapping.
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Okay, the starts.
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Episode and we are ready.
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Welcome. Welcome.
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This is due.
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This emotion,
this long and warm applause
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is because today
in which we are recording this episode.
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What day is it today?
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Of April.
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April 23.
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Afro Chingona.
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Is being fulfilled. Not one. Not two.
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Not three either four, but five years.
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Five.
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Today there is merit that we are
recording this episode we are five years.
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From creating this wonder.
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Eh! Bravo!
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So for this great applause.
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This is the first first episode of the
8th season.
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That is, in these five years
we have had seven seasons
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and with this, with this episode
we inaugurated the 8th.
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I am Marbella Figueroa.
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Ah, and I'm preparing now. I la.
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Presenter eh,
I am Marbella, I feel you don't know,
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We've been talking a lot,
we haven't recorded in a long time.
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But a lot, a lot. There's a lot,
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a lot.
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Since a good I mean. A good
and a lot.
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And I said it all wrong. It usually
happens.
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Well, I'm fine, thank you.
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Very good.
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Very happy to be five years old
in this project.
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A kiss for the people who
has been with us for five years.
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And. I am also very excited.
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Something got in my eye and it itches.
Now
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no, but I am very excited
for these five years that have been.
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That is, if they know us since then
we are like this.
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That is. Chiquititas, Chiquititas.
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We were this flower. Uh huh.
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And that now we are this huge flower,
huh?
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They will know like the whole process
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that has led to badass flowers
and happy to be here again.
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I love it.
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Well let's go
to start with our episode.
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Ah, but before, before
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I feel like it's as if it's the first
time I'm recording again.
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I feel like that all the time.
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You always say the same thing.
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Every time we record, do you
say it's the first time?
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No, of course not.
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No, but especially today because
it's been a long time since we recorded. Yes.
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It's been more than six months.
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Six months, more than six months
since we recorded.
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So in August was the last time
I recorded like this.
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I feel like a rookie, but I know I'm
not, I know that.
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The experience is already there.
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Yeah, it's here, it's here, it's here.
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So, having said that, I want to
remind you to follow us
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on our social networks.
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We are @afrochingonas on Instagram
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X and TikTok and YouTube and
YouTube exactly.
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And PayPal.
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And Patreon.
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Ah, of course.
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And and and Spotify.
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And Spotify and YouTube.
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We already said YouTube.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Well, follow us on the channel that
you like the most,
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the platform that you like and use
the most.
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There you can follow our content.
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Today I am going to introduce the
topic once and for all.
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Go ahead.
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Today we are gathered here to talk
about a topic
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that I think we have talked little about
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if there is a topic that we have
talked little about.
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Exactly.
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I mean, I don't even think so, not even
in the podcast,
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but like us among ourselves very little.
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I mean, kind of, but not much, right?
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We have talked about it but not so much.
Right?
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Uh huh, exactly.
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And that topic of drugs so, so, so,
so trash, invite
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them to take it out and since it takes
it out, take out GPI.
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Well, since
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the topic is drugs, I would like us
to share
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our experience with these,
with the same ones.
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Who wants to start telling us like,
no?
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I have tried these or none.
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Before starting, tell her mom to turn
off this video
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please, go see something else.
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This is not for you. Change the channel.
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Change the channel. No?
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Well, I feel like I've been, uh.
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I mean, like, drugs have always been
something that has been in my
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around and with those that I have had
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contact from different points, right?
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I mean, I remember a lot from when I
was little that that the.
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Song that came out on.
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A national television channel for.
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Prevent the.
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If they offer you drugs, if you feel
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really cool, that you're going to laugh,
it's not true?
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Don't pay attention, it's not true.
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I mean, I grew up right with that song
in my mind always of
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if they offer you drugs they are going
to tell you and also like with myths,
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no, that suddenly they say in elementary
school like, hey,
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don't accept any sticker that they give
you because it may contain drugs.
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To the children and so on, I don't know
what.
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And but also as it gives laughter, but
at the.
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Same time it sounds as possible in this
world so.
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Asshole.
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Anyway.
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And as I grew up, the approach to
different drugs became more present.
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became more present.
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I don't remember that in adolescence
there was the mona,
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which was like something that my
classmates or so, or of
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suddenly more people used, like at
parties, in the afternoons, right?
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This getting high on solvents and
marijuana, right?
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And that marijuana has been something
that I have consumed, but also here. What.
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That that there. Well, is it something
that that?
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I mean, crazy, I'm not a frequent user.
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Frequent, I already clarified it.
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I am not a frequent consumer, but I do
like it.
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And like burning the devil's legs.
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From time to time the peli that is to
sleep well.
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And I have there.
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Like several experiences the funny
experience with that
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and well, nothing, it also makes me
think about what we consider
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or what we have been told is a drug and
what is not
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and how to delve further, but let's do
it in the.
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Epi Super I had the good one ahead, no.
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I. I am not a consumer of anything, of
any drug.
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Yes I have tried them especially.
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Well, alcohol, which is a legal drug,
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the marijuana,
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which in the United States is legal, so
when you arrive
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well in New York that specifically the
first thing I felt
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when I arrived in New York was the smell
of marijuana and it was like.
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Because marijuana is the same and people
smoke in the street, there are dispensers.
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Of churros.
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In the street that seemed interesting
to me.
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Hey, and no, sorry to interrupt you,
but don't you.
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Didn't you get curious like, Ah.
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No, no, not at this moment in my life,
no, no, I don't feel like it.
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Yes, because my experience has been
very negative in general with drugs.
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And I want to start by clarifying
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that I have a
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very biased opinion with drugs
in general
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and well, every opinion is a bias,
but it does seem important to me like
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uh, clarify, warn
that perhaps my personal opinion
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may be, well yes, very conservative
regarding drugs.
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However, I think that has to do
with something very specific
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and it is one is that, being Colombian
abroad is a pain,
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because first thing they tell you
when and I have a video of
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my YouTube channel
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when the first day of school.
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But how.
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What is your YouTube channel called?
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Valeria Angola.
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What is.
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That?
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That the first day of of of
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of classes at the ENA the teacher
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asked us where we were from
and we were introducing ourselves
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and I said that I was Colombian
and she told me, oh, you bring cocaine,
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right? I mean,
always that stigma of being Colombian
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here in Mexico
and in general in the world uh?
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Well, it's like that stigma that
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we are traffickers
and we are consumers.
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And another important bias
that has made me
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reject drugs
is my accident because the person who
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caused me severe damage
was high on cocaine
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and I can't, I mean, I can't accept
like yes, that like create
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a bias against that consumption,
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Because in general I do have the
idea that people who use cocaine
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have a class privilege
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and they don't give a damn
about the rest of the lives of others.
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It was my experience.
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But well, I want to clarify with this
that my personal opinion does not
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necessarily have to be public policy
to legislate on the laws, right?
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I mean, it's my opinion, uh?
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But that should not influence
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on other things
that we will surely talk about.
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So yes.
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I have not tried,
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well, I have not used any type
of drug again, in fact it is alcohol.
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I have been more or less, uh,
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I don't know, since October
I haven't had a drop of alcohol
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because it was doing a lot of
stomach damage mentally
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this, uh.
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I have trouble sleeping and alcohol
prevents you from sleeping.
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Marijuana on the contrary, does
not relax me,
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on the contrary,
it makes me very paranoid,
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like I feel we don't make a good match
and the moments when I
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Smoking marijuana made me very sad;
it made me depressed.
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So, I don't like that feeling in my
body, so I prefer not to do it,
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and I prefer to get high on other
things, which is the bomb.
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Just kidding.
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No, I'm kidding.
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But yeah. I mean,
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it doesn't appeal to me at this
point in my life.
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No, no, I don't like it.
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Not at all. No. Mmm.
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Hey, do you associate...
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Associate...like...
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youth and adulthood with substance
use? Mmm.
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And your decision to use or not?
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I mean, like when you were younger
and now. Yes.
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Well, I think so.
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In youth, there is an excitement
or drive to try things,
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like it's the time when we are
socially told that we
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should try everything in order to
decide later.
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And I think if at some point I have,
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it's like I approached drugs for
that reason, right?
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But at the same time, yes, right
now I have other interests,
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like I don't know, like for
example, I'm super into exercising,
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and I feel like exercise and drugs,
and this may be a bias again,
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are very incompatible.
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Exactly. So, it's like...
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Oh, honey, you'd be surprised.
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Sure, I would probably be surprised
because I know that there is...
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A whole world that I don't know,
but...
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I mean, yes, that's why it seemed
important to me to make that
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make that warning that I have those
prejudices, and one because...
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I'm Colombian, and at airports
they always search me.
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Once they took me to a dark room
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where my suitcase was to open it.
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They have checked my hair at the
airport, I mean, all the time.
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That stigma of drugs is related to
my present state.
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I think it's bullshit, and especially
being Colombian.
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Being Colombian in a country that
is not Colombia
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or abroad is a huge, brutal stigma.
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No, I'd rather have my Mexican
passport a thousand times.
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I mean, I think it's been better
to leave Mexico and get to know,
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for example, to enter Europe or
enter the United States with my
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Mexican passport than with my
Colombian passport, because that's
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not Pablo Escobar. I mean, Pablo
Escobar died before I was born.
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I, obviously, grew up in the
nineties in Colombia,
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but, Pablo Escobar is foreign, a
little like my personal history,
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but everyone has that image and
that is a little elaborated
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and built by these...by literature,
by soap operas.
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The news.
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Friend, forgive me for interrupting
you, go ahead, but I would like to
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share because I feel like you are
saying too many things.
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Okay. Because yes, like.
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Ah. But no, sorry, but that not like,
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that there are many, many stereotypes
and many things that
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have made me feel like rejection
towards that world of drugs.
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But that rejection that I feel is
very personal. Huh?
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That I want to make clear that it
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shouldn't be like the rule of like
this.
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Relating to them.
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Drugs, right?
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And what would be the ideal public
policy.
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And what is the best way to approach
it?
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That drug?
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That is your experience.
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That is, it doesn't have to be like
the totality of everything.
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Yes, it's my experience and that's it.
Yes.
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Anyway, I think and it's that, sorry
for the interruption,
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someone left us a comment that
interrupts us a lot. Yes.
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What do you think if in this season
eight we kick him out of the changes?
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Ah, no way. I don't even know.
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But I say why?
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If we interrupt each other less. Aha.
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Let's work for the one who interrupted.
Propose her.
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Yes, exactly for that.
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But that.
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Being like that. That is, I understand
that comment, but it's also like.
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Like learning to carry on a conversation.
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Fluid.
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Where we can.
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Like not having like these moments.
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And you know what? From what? This is a
nice example. From what?
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That despite the fact that we have
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five years together, our relationship
can always like.
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Yes, change. Adjust. Move forward.
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And the way we relate then.
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Anyway.
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But what were we talking about?
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Well, about relationships.
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Of our own relationships.
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No, I also have to make a clarification.
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This is the episode of clarifications too,
huh?
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Clarifications huh? Big letters here.
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This is my clarification.
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And it's that I, that is, this is a
topic that moves me a lot
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due to personal experiences also here.
Again, mom, it's time to.
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That you can stop seeing things.
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Can or can you stop watching this video,
huh?
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I feel like it's a topic that I've
talked about very little,
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but that I would like to share it
because it is generating like also
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many doubts and maybe not only my mom,
but many people close to me,
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like if they see this get different
information.
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They really don't know me.
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So, uh?
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But I feel that what's valuable
is like talking about the experience
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and well, it's the only thing I have,
so that's what I can offer you.
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It turns out, well, I started thinking
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and my relationship with drugs,
I think it started with my family, right?
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I mean, like a lot of my family has
problems with alcoholism, for example, no?
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Many of my uncles,
especially my male uncles,
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both on my mom's side
and on my dad's side, uh,
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are alcoholics
or were alcoholics in life
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and I feel it's something
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that has become somewhat normalized.
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And then
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well, since I grew up with that example,
I also grew up seeing my mom smoke.
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My mom smoked a lot, I mean, until
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a few years ago I saw my mom smoke.
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And there's also the experience,
like of the alcoholic uncles
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in the family, but as alcoholics,
but as functional, you know?
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I mean, like. They work.
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They work and stuff and like. They always
give. But
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but like
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they can spend two days drinking like
that, yeah.
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And there are those stories in the family
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like of functional alcoholism,
but there are also.
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There are a couple of stories of
drug use
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in which people,
both a cousin and an uncle,
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ended up in total decline
being homeless, uh?
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Like losing
many of the connections with
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well with the family
and like with the environment in general.
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So like
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I grew up seeing that,
but not in a way.
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Ay, I don't know how to say it, if critical,
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but at the same time like assimilated,
you know?
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Like it was normal for the family
to find the uncle in the street,
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I don't know if normal but common
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to find the uncle lying in the street,
sleeping on the sidewalk
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and like saying like oh,
I found the uncle, no, there he was and like
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oh, no, I don't know how to explain it,
but well, that
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is like one of my first approaches,
not yesterday that I started thinking
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and I think it has a lot to do with
my family, well my family is familiar,
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well on both sides
we are racialized people, right?
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And also
it has to do with the environment, right?
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Where my family lives, lived or live
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like the periphery Naucalpan, uh?
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Iztapalapa, uh, not Santa Marta.
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I mean, like
I feel it has to do with that,
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but that's how I
grew up, I mean, like seeing drugs, like
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from the inside, let's say,
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like very close,
but without being the one consuming them, well
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no, I feel that was one of my first
approaches.
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I empathize with you a little
because in this alcohol issue
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I feel that also in my family
it's something that is very normalized.
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And and a.
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Me, now that I see things
a little more in perspective,
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as if I am conflicted by the consumption,
the normalization
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of alcohol consumption, uh within
like the family of my family,
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not even with me,
because I also consume alcohol, huh?
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And that's a little where
my mind starts to think about the way
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in which they have been named
certain substances and have
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certain substances have been given
like this padlock
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of extremely dangerous,
extremely lethal.
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And there are other substances that are
just as
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risky
to consume, which also imply
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that you develop a relationship
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dependent on those substances
that are not named in that way, as
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is alcohol, as is nicotine
and as is something that to me.
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I eat.
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To mention because I don't know whether to
mention it
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that way or without mentioning it,
but many people say it is sugar.
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That is, I have the. Same.
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Topic, they say like uh-huh, exactly,
they say like oh, sugar is a drug or I
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don't know what. And I, the truth, from
very little and I'm not proud of this.
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The the net,
but yes, I mean, from very little.
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I have consumed Coca-Cola, for example.
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That is, and it has been something very
normal, like the consumption of sugar,
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like the consumption of this type of
substances that very rarely are
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stated and are named.
And I really don't know if it's correct.
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Yes, uh, use the term drug
on that type of substances
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or if in reality it is not
an answer that I still have,
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but it is something that I would like
more like like to analyze and rethink.
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Also thinking a little
about the experiences, in history,
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as in how I relate
with each of those substances.
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Also because suddenly the link
that we make with those substances,
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with the way we consume it,
also speaks a lot of
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a little, as Malú commented, like the
emotional level that we also bring from
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the emotional state that we bring
like the EH.
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I don't know, our life story,
our family history,
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our context, like all that.
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Look, uh, when I stopped consuming
alcohol I realized how
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certain social
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spaces are conditioned by the
by the consumption of alcohol
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and the fact of not consuming alcohol
like who took me out of those spaces.
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And a little yes.
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I have felt that my social life
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has changed a lot since
that I have stopped drinking alcohol, no?
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So you stop drinking alcohol
and people, but why?
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If you're boring and like they force you.
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Or do they want to force you to drink
alcohol?
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Uh-huh and they force you
to do the same as the others.
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And it is a pressure, uh,
quite unpleasant because uh, well yes.
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I mean, I think people
should understand how
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one can relate
to those social spaces
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without the need for a substance
that makes you part of it, right?
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Right, so, if just, uh, I realized
that,
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how my fun
also,
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or my mood were also, uh,
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dependent on alcohol consumption.
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I'm remembering a very good movie
that I would like to recommend.
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It's called Another Round.
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I think it's on Netflix, uh? And.
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Did ghostly things happen
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412
in this new studio, uh?
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And, uh, I just like this movie
because,
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uh, it talks about an experiment
that an investigator did years ago.
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I don't know.
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Sorry for not remembering the name,
but it talks about how there is an amount
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uh, the one point
I don't know what, uh, of alcohol,
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of alcohol consumption in your blood
so that the alcohol,
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let's say it has its
disinhibiting effects
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that makes you a little happy,
that you can dance a little more, etcetera
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And this in the movie
as a group of people meet who are teachers
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of a public school in Denmark
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and then they take,
they start trying alcohol.
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What happens when, uh, they take that
that level that they say is the one that
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then one becomes more outgoing,
another becomes more romantic,
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This as things begin to happen
that if the alcohol
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as it pushes you, and in general also
certain drugs.
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I mean, me, for example, marijuana, uh?
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I really liked to do
do amber. Well,
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to make love high.
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Yes, uh, with marijuana
I think it's a, uh, marijuana.
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And there are other drugs that
you probably know more than I do,
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that awaken sexual desire
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and that put you, they make you horny.
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Right? And I I say that I did see that.
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Uh-huh. Exactly.
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As.
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As, Uh, if they have that
sense of disinhibition in
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in certain emotions
or certain actions or certain certain
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spaces and behaviors.
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So just, uh, I was thinking about that,
like also
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sometimes, especially with alcohol,
which is a drug that is normalized.
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It's legal, uh?
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And that we ask ourselves like why
alcohol is okay,
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why nicotine is okay,
but why not marijuana?
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Why not?
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Uh, I don't know, other things.
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So, for me, the central thing
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is how to ask ourselves the question
as always.
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As.
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Why not, like What's behind it, huh.
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That is, both the decisions I make
as a consumer,
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as well as the decisions that States
take in the face of
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criminalizing some substances and not
others?
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Is it that You know what I was thinking?
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I was here thinking that narratives
also have everything to do with it,
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narratives have everything to do with it.
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Of course it is managed.
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Scar's clear is a clear,
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a new part of his personality
in the narratives
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with which we approach certain issues,
in this case the issue of drugs.
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I remember that the narrative
from which I approached
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was extremely stigmatizing
and of prohibition.
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That is, as if taking drugs
is going to be the worst thing you can do.
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Real drugs.
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Does that mean that trying or consuming
some drug, huh?
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Also, also from a super fatalistic
narrative also of
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you're going to get hooked and you're
going to die or you're going to end up
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like that uncle you see or like that
cousin you see like that in the model,
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that's how you're going to end up as if
it were absolutely
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fatalistic, sure to happen and it is a
probability.
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But I didn't approach it from a narrative
like curiosity
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and informed, based on evidence or data.
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And this also has to do with like
well from the family and so on, right?
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So I remember the first drugs that there
are I'm not going to tell you.
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Yes, yes, yes. It was account. Me.
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I was in prep four.
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A greeting to prep four How was it?
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I don't remember how it was.
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But what was the prep?
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Agreement of what it was
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Revolution. Isn't it?
483
00:26:18,833 --> 00:26:21,833
It was like pucha, panocha and papaya,
484
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,000
up with the prep of Tacubaya and well,
that was the rude one,
485
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,000
because you see that there is always such
a version that rude and normal.
486
00:26:29,208 --> 00:26:33,750
Well, I was a greeting to the beautiful
prep four and uh,
487
00:26:34,916 --> 00:26:38,791
I liked, well, I still like reggae,
dancehall a lot.
488
00:26:38,791 --> 00:26:40,375
Like that.
489
00:26:40,375 --> 00:26:43,125
Well, vibration 123.
490
00:26:43,125 --> 00:26:44,833
Not without the 123.
491
00:26:44,833 --> 00:26:47,666
Well, to see something like good vibes,
right?
492
00:26:47,666 --> 00:26:50,458
A number. 992.
493
00:26:50,458 --> 00:26:53,458
It wasn't just good vibes, there's the
at gmail dot.
494
00:26:54,125 --> 00:26:54,500
Well, a.
495
00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:56,333
I love it, I love it.
496
00:26:56,333 --> 00:26:59,000
And. Uh, like
497
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,666
without knowing, without investigating
very deeply, I felt like
498
00:27:02,666 --> 00:27:05,791
very identified with the Rastafari,
right?
499
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:08,000
Without knowing anything.
500
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,791
And me in my mind, right?
501
00:27:09,791 --> 00:27:13,708
Sure, she was saying how we
Rasta girls smoke weed,
502
00:27:13,708 --> 00:27:17,208
I mean, obviously, and I want
to too.
503
00:27:17,541 --> 00:27:20,541
And then I remember perfectly,
I had a friend.
504
00:27:20,958 --> 00:27:23,541
I send a greeting to Rodrigo, uh,
505
00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:25,458
that we went to a
506
00:27:25,458 --> 00:27:29,666
party, that there were parties
there around Las Americas,
507
00:27:29,666 --> 00:27:33,416
I think it was called like that
between Observatorio and Tacubaya,
508
00:27:33,416 --> 00:27:37,000
and we said how cool it would be
to smoke a joint and I don't know,
509
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,250
I to be amazing.
Obviously, I hadn't smoked in my life.
510
00:27:39,250 --> 00:27:42,000
I was like, obviously, friend.
511
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,625
I mean, get a joint, you bring
the joint and I.
512
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:48,125
We smoke without a problem.
513
00:27:48,125 --> 00:27:52,250
And then we arrived at the party,
he took out the joint and we smoked.
514
00:27:52,458 --> 00:27:55,750
I had no idea how to smoke,
I mean, I was doing absolutely nothing.
515
00:27:55,791 --> 00:27:58,791
Now I imagine and I feel
that I must have looked pretty.
516
00:27:58,958 --> 00:28:00,875
Fake,
517
00:28:00,875 --> 00:28:01,458
yes, I mean.
518
00:28:01,458 --> 00:28:03,750
Like totally, totally cheesy.
519
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:05,125
But I felt like that.
520
00:28:05,125 --> 00:28:09,208
The coolest girl in the world.
521
00:28:09,458 --> 00:28:15,083
The truth is that my story does
fit, let's say a little
522
00:28:15,083 --> 00:28:19,458
like in the stereotype of young
people get drugs for acceptance.
523
00:28:19,458 --> 00:28:25,375
In today's episode of La Rosa de
Guadalupe Marbella, Pregnancy tests.
524
00:28:26,750 --> 00:28:28,250
The thing is that
525
00:28:28,250 --> 00:28:30,916
what I'm getting at is that just
a little of what you were saying
526
00:28:30,916 --> 00:28:34,625
doesn't mean that my story is a
generality for people
527
00:28:34,625 --> 00:28:37,166
and I feel that the narratives
have been directed.
528
00:28:37,166 --> 00:28:37,708
To that.
529
00:28:37,708 --> 00:28:41,166
To tell us that there is only one
way in which you can relate to drugs
530
00:28:41,166 --> 00:28:44,000
and only one way it can end and it
is fatal.
531
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,541
And that happens.
532
00:28:45,541 --> 00:28:49,500
But there are many other ways
in which you can relate.
533
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:51,083
With that, I mean.
534
00:28:51,083 --> 00:28:54,958
Many from recreation,
from different things.
535
00:28:54,958 --> 00:28:57,958
And right now that they mentioned
like the episode of La Rosa de Guadalupe,
536
00:28:57,958 --> 00:29:00,583
there is an episode of La Rosa de
Guadalupe where the one.
537
00:29:00,583 --> 00:29:02,916
The guard
538
00:29:02,916 --> 00:29:04,166
inherits the addiction to.
539
00:29:04,166 --> 00:29:05,333
His daughter.
540
00:29:05,333 --> 00:29:08,791
There are and if I haven't seen
it it's terrible and they talk
541
00:29:08,791 --> 00:29:12,458
like from this vision,
from this narrative, because there is one,
542
00:29:12,458 --> 00:29:16,291
there is an episode I think where
they get high on the air of
543
00:29:17,333 --> 00:29:20,333
Elio Elio there is another one
where you can't talk about Chivas,
544
00:29:20,541 --> 00:29:25,166
I mean like like different things
and it just goes more like oh well,
545
00:29:25,166 --> 00:29:28,875
these drugs exist, but if you use
them the worst and the worst will
546
00:29:29,333 --> 00:29:31,625
happen to you.
And who.
547
00:29:31,625 --> 00:29:35,958
It suits them to spread that
narrative that if you try them
548
00:29:35,958 --> 00:29:38,958
it is the worst thing in the world,
who.
549
00:29:39,458 --> 00:29:40,791
Generates those?
Only the right.
550
00:29:40,791 --> 00:29:43,416
It's Carla for
551
00:29:43,416 --> 00:29:46,416
in ENA class this six.
552
00:29:48,208 --> 00:29:49,541
We are dropping the.
553
00:29:49,541 --> 00:29:52,916
We are dropping the idea
that the model we are releasing.
554
00:29:52,916 --> 00:29:54,750
But hey.
555
00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:56,000
But well, I don't know, the truth.
556
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,500
So I feel that it not only
benefits the right wing,
557
00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:00,958
but also like the government
and. Like the State.
558
00:30:00,958 --> 00:30:03,833
Not only to the State, also
to the pharmaceutical companies. The FARC.
559
00:30:03,833 --> 00:30:05,333
Because so.
560
00:30:05,333 --> 00:30:06,791
Uh, right now.
561
00:30:06,791 --> 00:30:11,083
That is, I was investigating this
because I needed a definition of what
562
00:30:11,083 --> 00:30:15,333
is a drug, to know what
substances, if they are conceived as such,
563
00:30:15,375 --> 00:30:15,708
which is.
564
00:30:15,708 --> 00:30:18,916
No, no, and I found
a definition from the WHO that says
565
00:30:18,916 --> 00:30:21,958
as a drug, any substance is defined
566
00:30:21,958 --> 00:30:26,583
that, introduced into the body
by any route of administration that.
567
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:28,500
Produce.
568
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:32,666
Some natural alteration,
some alteration
569
00:30:33,083 --> 00:30:36,166
of the natural
functioning of the human body, it is not.
570
00:30:36,166 --> 00:30:38,000
It's like one of those
can. Be anything.
571
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,208
It is. It's anything.
572
00:30:39,208 --> 00:30:41,125
It is a magnesium supplement.
573
00:30:41,125 --> 00:30:43,000
Exactly. Exactly.
574
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,666
And well no.
I agree with that definition.
575
00:30:45,666 --> 00:30:47,458
World Health Organization.
576
00:30:47,458 --> 00:30:48,625
Me neither.
577
00:30:48,625 --> 00:30:52,875
But a little to what I'm getting
at is that I also started to think about
578
00:30:54,250 --> 00:30:57,250
how complex it is also
579
00:30:57,416 --> 00:31:01,333
not only consumption, but also
the distribution of substances,
580
00:31:01,333 --> 00:31:07,208
taking into account that its definition
is all murky or half crappy about what?
581
00:31:07,291 --> 00:31:10,083
About a substance
that generates alterations.
582
00:31:10,083 --> 00:31:13,083
There would also enter
drugs and medicines.
583
00:31:13,083 --> 00:31:18,000
And here I want to mention a very
good series that I also recommend.
584
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,416
It's called Toxic, which talks about, uh,
585
00:31:21,416 --> 00:31:25,166
the opioid crisis, the addiction
to opioids in the United States.
586
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:31,083
But just like that started to be more
impactful from the use of drugs, right?
587
00:31:31,125 --> 00:31:37,000
That is, there was a drug, uh, that they
said It is for the headache and, uh, no
588
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,250
met the established limits
589
00:31:39,250 --> 00:31:42,375
by the organizations
that regulate that type of things
590
00:31:43,166 --> 00:31:47,333
because it had a greater number of
opioids, but they had to sell,
591
00:31:47,583 --> 00:31:50,208
they had to get that product out,
they had to sell it.
592
00:31:50,208 --> 00:31:55,125
So they said well, convince the doctor
to prescribe this medication
593
00:31:55,125 --> 00:31:59,375
and that it does not, no, it does
not generate addiction, because because
594
00:31:59,708 --> 00:32:05,916
it is regulated I don't know what else.
So they start to promote it
595
00:32:05,916 --> 00:32:07,791
and that starts to generate an enormous
addiction to the substance,
596
00:32:07,791 --> 00:32:10,750
because then the people
who were prescribed that medicine
597
00:32:10,750 --> 00:32:14,583
for the headache,
suddenly began to need it more
598
00:32:14,583 --> 00:32:18,750
because the headache was
even bigger and needed each time
599
00:32:19,208 --> 00:32:22,500
uh, bigger doses
of that of that drug.
600
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:23,791
And that's how it started.
601
00:32:23,791 --> 00:32:27,625
As the same happens to me with your love for him.
602
00:32:27,958 --> 00:32:31,458
Yes, that also seems interesting to me,
because for example,
603
00:32:31,458 --> 00:32:35,541
I don't consume any kind of drug, huh?
604
00:32:36,583 --> 00:32:39,000
In that sense, like cigarettes.
605
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,791
Or alcohol, or marijuana,
or any other substance.
606
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:46,250
But, for example, we talk about death
607
00:32:46,375 --> 00:32:49,125
and toxic relationships
like a drug, right?
608
00:32:49,125 --> 00:32:51,875
And and at some point yes, no?
609
00:32:51,875 --> 00:32:54,458
Once I attended
a group of codependents
610
00:32:54,458 --> 00:32:58,916
anonymous in which
well, there are people that we relate to.
611
00:32:58,916 --> 00:32:59,750
Number.
612
00:32:59,750 --> 00:33:05,541
In a problematic way with other people
and with the substances that generates in.
613
00:33:05,541 --> 00:33:05,958
The body.
614
00:33:05,958 --> 00:33:09,833
Uh Fighting with the boyfriend
and the next day reconcile.
615
00:33:09,833 --> 00:33:12,291
So, what does a drug do?
616
00:33:12,291 --> 00:33:13,541
To be a drug?
617
00:33:13,541 --> 00:33:16,583
If we can also generate problematic
relationships
618
00:33:16,583 --> 00:33:21,750
of addiction, codependency, damage, etc.
619
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:27,166
with other people,
but also with the consumption of certain.
620
00:33:27,166 --> 00:33:29,833
This place with.
621
00:33:29,833 --> 00:33:32,750
The exact game as buying clothes.
622
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:36,083
There are people who are compulsive
buying things, I don't know how.
623
00:33:37,041 --> 00:33:40,041
But today
I was going to say something, I already forgot.
624
00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:42,916
Well, we can send. No, it's not.
625
00:33:42,916 --> 00:33:45,208
I think it was important.
626
00:33:45,208 --> 00:33:47,291
Something to help you remember it.
627
00:33:47,291 --> 00:33:50,291
Ah, I remembered,
I remembered that indeed.
628
00:33:51,041 --> 00:33:53,375
I, uh.
629
00:33:53,375 --> 00:33:56,375
Once I invited Evalu
to the group I went to
630
00:33:56,750 --> 00:34:00,458
and I remembered just
while studying for this,
631
00:34:00,458 --> 00:34:04,541
that in the group to the
to the person you related to
632
00:34:04,541 --> 00:34:09,083
more, I mean, you know they say like
the cockroach or the poop, the rat.
633
00:34:09,583 --> 00:34:11,666
The rat.
634
00:34:11,666 --> 00:34:12,708
The I don't know what.
635
00:34:12,708 --> 00:34:16,166
Well,
in the group they were called the substance
636
00:34:17,250 --> 00:34:20,291
and they were called the substance in the group.
637
00:34:20,583 --> 00:34:21,500
And this other.
638
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:27,750
Disclaimer is that this is not propaganda
to the groups or anything, it's my experience.
639
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:31,708
For me
the group is a very important experience
640
00:34:31,708 --> 00:34:34,791
and it has a lot to do
with my drug use precisely.
641
00:34:35,458 --> 00:34:37,916
And it is not, it is not a, it is not propaganda,
642
00:34:37,916 --> 00:34:40,916
just like it seems important to me,
643
00:34:41,125 --> 00:34:46,041
but it was said, I mean, like you
said like oh, the substance spoke to me
644
00:34:46,291 --> 00:34:47,250
and I couldn't resist,
645
00:34:47,250 --> 00:34:51,458
so like I didn't do it
because it gave me a bit of the truth,
646
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:56,291
but I understood
like where this relationship came from a little.
647
00:34:56,708 --> 00:34:59,375
Ah, but another thing I wanted to say
is that in this episode
648
00:34:59,375 --> 00:35:02,541
is being very special
because I feel like a long time ago.
649
00:35:02,541 --> 00:35:03,791
I didn't feel.
650
00:35:03,791 --> 00:35:05,583
Drugged in an episode.
651
00:35:05,583 --> 00:35:08,291
I don't know, I feel very,
652
00:35:10,208 --> 00:35:13,208
uh. Excited, right?
653
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:16,375
I think that's it.
654
00:35:16,375 --> 00:35:17,583
Drug or background.
655
00:35:17,583 --> 00:35:20,625
In Ha, ha. The truth
we are not going to. Judge. No.
656
00:35:20,958 --> 00:35:24,250
Don't I feel like a newbie
on the subject, you know?
657
00:35:24,250 --> 00:35:25,875
Me too. Too much, too much.
658
00:35:25,875 --> 00:35:27,833
So. I have too many ideas.
659
00:35:27,833 --> 00:35:33,000
And it's hard for me to follow
the conversation, because like. Yes.
660
00:35:33,166 --> 00:35:35,750
It's that it's a lot of information.
Just like the.
661
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:36,958
But themes from where.
662
00:35:36,958 --> 00:35:38,666
But well,
663
00:35:38,666 --> 00:35:39,291
before that.
664
00:35:39,291 --> 00:35:41,583
Let's breathe for a little while
and we're going to do. Pee pee.
665
00:35:41,583 --> 00:35:43,166
Let's take a break
666
00:35:43,166 --> 00:35:48,208
chingona, say but I
still feel very uninformed,
667
00:35:48,208 --> 00:35:52,708
very new to the topic,
especially in non-experiential topics, no,
668
00:35:52,708 --> 00:35:56,250
because experience
look, I bring, I bring right now,
669
00:35:56,458 --> 00:36:01,083
right now we continue talking but
but to feel more informed
670
00:36:01,083 --> 00:36:04,083
I am going to travel to the future,
to Bogotá, Colombia.
671
00:36:04,666 --> 00:36:08,375
Thanks to the invitation of
Reduction International,
672
00:36:09,208 --> 00:36:12,291
I will attend the International
Conference
673
00:36:12,291 --> 00:36:15,291
on Harm Reduction.
674
00:36:15,333 --> 00:36:17,833
Great. I'm going there and coming back.
675
00:36:17,833 --> 00:36:18,750
Let's go to.
676
00:36:20,333 --> 00:36:21,291
Hello.
677
00:36:21,291 --> 00:36:25,708
Hello, I am Marbella and I had the
fortune to go to Bogotá to cover the H.R.
678
00:36:25,708 --> 00:36:29,041
25, The International Conference
on Reduction
679
00:36:29,041 --> 00:36:32,041
of Risks and Damages
on behalf of Afrochingonas.
680
00:36:32,291 --> 00:36:34,625
The truth is
I am not an expert on the subject.
681
00:36:34,625 --> 00:36:38,416
I had to go to learn to listen
and ask questions from curiosity.
682
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,625
Before leaving
we had a talk that awakened
683
00:36:41,625 --> 00:36:45,208
many doubts In us
drug use is natural.
684
00:36:45,625 --> 00:36:48,291
Resting is also reducing harm.
685
00:36:48,291 --> 00:36:51,291
What's going on
with drug policies in Mexico?
686
00:36:51,875 --> 00:36:54,750
What is a supervised consumption room?
687
00:36:54,750 --> 00:36:57,541
I left with those doubts and came back
with more,
688
00:36:57,541 --> 00:37:00,541
but also wanting
to continue learning about the subject.
689
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,458
One of the things that shook me the most
was hearing that consumption is not the
690
00:37:05,458 --> 00:37:09,125
problem, that rather the problem is how
we were taught to think about it.
691
00:37:12,333 --> 00:37:13,916
My name is Lee Beck.
692
00:37:13,916 --> 00:37:17,708
I am from the east side of the
United States
693
00:37:17,708 --> 00:37:20,708
and it is from Maryland.
694
00:37:21,416 --> 00:37:24,833
It is a way of saying
the first principle
695
00:37:24,833 --> 00:37:27,833
and more basic of harm reduction,
696
00:37:29,208 --> 00:37:30,791
which is a
697
00:37:30,791 --> 00:37:35,083
a way of accepting
and embracing that drug use
698
00:37:35,083 --> 00:37:38,458
is a normal and natural part
of the human experience.
699
00:37:39,958 --> 00:37:42,958
So when we see history
700
00:37:43,791 --> 00:37:46,708
human, we have evidence of the use
701
00:37:46,708 --> 00:37:49,708
of drugs for 10,000 years.
702
00:37:50,416 --> 00:37:53,166
And one of those favorite things
to talk about
703
00:37:53,166 --> 00:37:56,208
is the fact that animals also
use drugs.
704
00:37:56,875 --> 00:38:01,083
So we know it's a very natural part
of the existence of
705
00:38:01,083 --> 00:38:04,083
not only our species,
but theirs as well.
706
00:38:04,458 --> 00:38:08,166
And drug use
has has played a major role
707
00:38:08,166 --> 00:38:11,791
in our connection to the natural world.
708
00:38:13,291 --> 00:38:14,708
Drug use
709
00:38:14,708 --> 00:38:18,000
is spiritual, but it is also a part,
710
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:22,708
it has a political side
and it is also part of our economy.
711
00:38:23,333 --> 00:38:27,833
It is impossible to separate this
from human evolution and human history.
712
00:38:28,291 --> 00:38:32,000
After that I kept thinking
if drugs have always been around,
713
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,083
if they are used in rituals,
in medicine for enjoyment,
714
00:38:35,458 --> 00:38:39,083
because now they are associated
with punishment, danger and ruin.
715
00:38:39,291 --> 00:38:43,125
In the early days of the event,
between running from room to room,
716
00:38:43,125 --> 00:38:48,583
doing interviews, recording things,
taking notes, I forgot to eat and
717
00:38:48,916 --> 00:38:52,708
rest properly. But I remembered
that I heard someone talk about
718
00:38:52,708 --> 00:38:56,666
radical rest
as a way to reduce harm
719
00:38:57,833 --> 00:39:00,250
and I thought it was super powerful.
720
00:39:00,250 --> 00:39:02,041
I am.
721
00:39:02,041 --> 00:39:05,583
I'm from Flint, Michigan.
722
00:39:05,583 --> 00:39:08,750
I work in wellness,
beer, Wellness Services there.
723
00:39:08,750 --> 00:39:10,000
And I am the director. Of Operations of.
724
00:39:12,416 --> 00:39:13,916
Operations. There.
725
00:39:13,916 --> 00:39:15,208
And I have given comments.
726
00:39:15,208 --> 00:39:20,250
Something so important.
727
00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:22,583
Colonialism has itself
taught us individualism
728
00:39:22,583 --> 00:39:24,791
and rest.
729
00:39:24,791 --> 00:39:27,791
It is a way to cope with this.
730
00:39:27,833 --> 00:39:31,583
How to bring ourselves back, He says.
731
00:39:31,583 --> 00:39:34,583
In my opinion,
sometimes the burned out by systems
732
00:39:34,833 --> 00:39:38,333
that don't
733
00:39:38,333 --> 00:39:42,500
we don't import them and this includes
systems that we are part of,
734
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:47,083
like years in which
we take care of others
735
00:39:47,208 --> 00:39:51,250
but we don't take care of ourselves.
736
00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:55,041
So, harm reduction
is a political movement.
737
00:39:55,375 --> 00:39:57,708
You have to go to rest
and you have to take care.
738
00:39:57,708 --> 00:40:00,708
It includes care tactics.
739
00:40:00,750 --> 00:40:04,833
Sometimes resisting is not fighting,
it is stopping, it is stopping producing,
740
00:40:04,958 --> 00:40:07,333
stopping explaining yourself,
staying calm,
741
00:40:07,333 --> 00:40:11,666
even turning off the cell phone.
Especially if you are a racialized
742
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,166
person, dissident, migrant, impoverished.
743
00:40:16,583 --> 00:40:19,583
We were not taught to rest,
we were taught to endure.
744
00:40:19,708 --> 00:40:22,500
And specifically in Mexico,
what is happening?
745
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:25,500
Well, it turns out that the war
on drugs is more
746
00:40:25,583 --> 00:40:26,583
like a war against people.
747
00:40:26,583 --> 00:40:29,750
My name is Isaiah.
748
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:33,250
Pablo, eh I work in the
drug policy research line
749
00:40:33,458 --> 00:40:37,208
in an organization
that is based in Mexico City.
750
00:40:37,208 --> 00:40:40,500
It's called Elementa de H,
where soon it will be spoken in generic
as drug policy, as if there
only existed one
751
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,250
and well in reality this is adapting
or has been modeled, but it does have a
752
00:40:45,416 --> 00:40:46,416
a root.
753
00:40:46,416 --> 00:40:49,708
The direct answer could easily be that
it is the
754
00:40:49,958 --> 00:40:53,000
like a set of policies, laws,
practices,
755
00:40:53,291 --> 00:40:57,458
public policy carried out by States
within their jurisdictions
756
00:40:57,750 --> 00:41:02,125
to determine how to address the
phenomenon of trafficking
757
00:41:02,125 --> 00:41:05,916
and drug use that can range from use
or sale, to trafficking, etcetera, etcetera.
758
00:41:06,916 --> 00:41:09,250
trafficking, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
759
00:41:09,250 --> 00:41:12,416
But I really think we can understand it
as more of an
760
00:41:12,750 --> 00:41:16,208
interpretation made by people and the
people decision makers
761
00:41:16,208 --> 00:41:19,208
decision makers who have the power to
762
00:41:19,458 --> 00:41:23,791
uh oversee in some way all these verbs
that I pointed out to you, right?
763
00:41:23,833 --> 00:41:26,458
The use, the consumption, the trade, the
trafficking, etcetera.
764
00:41:26,458 --> 00:41:30,625
If we could uh qualify drug policy
765
00:41:30,625 --> 00:41:34,791
or drug policies, we should say that
it is punitive,
766
00:41:34,791 --> 00:41:39,166
that is, it focuses on punishing people,
which is also
767
00:41:39,166 --> 00:41:43,250
unsustainable because it generates more
violence than the benefits it actually brings.
768
00:41:43,583 --> 00:41:45,458
What's more, it seems that it has no benefits.
769
00:41:45,458 --> 00:41:49,291
It employs, it is dedicated to persecuting
people, generating violence, uh?
770
00:41:49,375 --> 00:41:53,458
It also goes through other forms of
oppression.
771
00:41:53,458 --> 00:41:58,541
The policy of and drug policies are
colonial, they are racist because.
772
00:41:58,833 --> 00:42:01,625
Because they have a control focus
773
00:42:01,625 --> 00:42:04,958
over certain populations, a profiling
that the State does
774
00:42:05,208 --> 00:42:09,625
to have control over, over, over people.
775
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,208
And I think that I could somehow and
776
00:42:13,708 --> 00:42:17,208
and perhaps somewhat reductionist, point
out that it has been,
777
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,208
uh has been
778
00:42:20,208 --> 00:42:24,083
modeled from the use of one of the armed
arms of the State,
779
00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:27,083
the use of the armed forces of the police
forces,
780
00:42:27,291 --> 00:42:30,500
in which people are profiled, they are
persecuted
781
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:33,541
and above all it seeks to feed the
penitentiary system.
782
00:42:33,541 --> 00:42:37,916
There are a lot of people in Mexico who
are deprived of their liberty.
783
00:42:38,125 --> 00:42:42,791
For behaviors that are not, that are not
serious, that also do not generate social harm.
784
00:42:42,958 --> 00:42:45,541
Here we could point out simple possession.
785
00:42:45,541 --> 00:42:50,125
That is, if I am walking down the street
and I have five grams of marijuana
786
00:42:50,125 --> 00:42:54,583
or some other substance or more, the State,
or it can manufacture
787
00:42:54,625 --> 00:43:00,250
put more substance than I, I was carrying
and without having to demonstrate
788
00:43:00,625 --> 00:43:05,416
that I was going to make a different use
than simple consumption, I can
789
00:43:05,416 --> 00:43:06,958
I can be presented.
790
00:43:06,958 --> 00:43:11,166
In my days in Bogotá I visited I changed
a supervised consumption room.
791
00:43:11,375 --> 00:43:15,083
There people can consume injectables in
a safe place,
792
00:43:15,375 --> 00:43:19,500
with accompaniment, without anyone
judging, running or abusing them.
793
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,625
I think this is a way of saying you deserve
to live, of betting on life,
794
00:43:25,083 --> 00:43:28,791
That is, I don't want to cure you or change
you, I just don't want you to die.
795
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,041
Hello, my name is David Moreno,
796
00:43:31,041 --> 00:43:34,875
I am a Peer in the Cambio project which
is a project uh?
797
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,750
That is a community-based device where
we have a supervised injection room uh?
798
00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:40,625
supervised uh?
799
00:43:40,625 --> 00:43:45,625
Here we give them the hygienic material
uh, to use the room and also
800
00:43:45,791 --> 00:43:49,541
we try to provide them with other needs,
to cover the other needs.
801
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,000
This project is part of an NGO
called Social Technical Action,
802
00:43:54,458 --> 00:43:57,458
EH, and in which I have been working
for ten years.
803
00:43:58,166 --> 00:44:00,916
I did not return from Bogotá
with absolute truths,
804
00:44:00,916 --> 00:44:04,250
but loaded with experiences
and a lot of knowledge.
805
00:44:04,625 --> 00:44:08,083
Things I saw, things I felt and things
that I want to continue enunciating aloud
806
00:44:08,083 --> 00:44:09,416
to understand them.
807
00:44:10,375 --> 00:44:13,583
Because talking about drugs is also
talking about pleasure, autonomy,
808
00:44:13,583 --> 00:44:16,916
violence, racism, tenderness
and justice.
809
00:44:17,291 --> 00:44:21,291
And if we are going to talk about that,
of course Afrochingonas has to be there.
810
00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:26,125
This was the Afrochingonas capsule
from H 25.
811
00:44:26,375 --> 00:44:29,958
If you want to see the full interviews,
stay tuned because
812
00:44:29,958 --> 00:44:32,958
we will soon share them on various
platforms.
813
00:44:33,125 --> 00:44:35,875
We go back in time
and continue with the episode
814
00:44:35,875 --> 00:44:38,083
in our new recording set.
815
00:44:38,083 --> 00:44:41,083
Chingona Quiubo parce.
816
00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:46,791
And something like that.
817
00:44:46,791 --> 00:44:47,125
From the.
818
00:44:47,125 --> 00:44:48,625
Great.
819
00:44:48,625 --> 00:44:51,625
Wow, how great, how great you are!
820
00:44:53,125 --> 00:44:56,000
The Herald of
821
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,000
This one from Barranquilla
822
00:44:59,125 --> 00:45:01,791
is not Colombia, it is Colombia.
823
00:45:01,791 --> 00:45:04,708
And I was. As I explain to you.
824
00:45:04,708 --> 00:45:06,291
What a beautiful interpretation.
825
00:45:06,291 --> 00:45:08,125
No, no, no, I don't approve.
826
00:45:08,125 --> 00:45:09,125
You don't approve, Parce?
827
00:45:09,125 --> 00:45:12,666
Quiubo, my daughter No, no, continue.
828
00:45:12,666 --> 00:45:15,625
With what I was going to say.
That this is going to be recorded.
829
00:45:16,666 --> 00:45:17,083
I'm not
830
00:45:17,083 --> 00:45:21,083
returning from Colombia in reality,
because we just recorded all this,
831
00:45:21,416 --> 00:45:25,375
but when I return from Colombia
I will talk to Lore.
832
00:45:25,375 --> 00:45:28,375
More money will be needed.
833
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:31,791
I will return it to be recorded, I read
it.
834
00:45:32,250 --> 00:45:34,291
When I really return from Colombia.
835
00:45:34,291 --> 00:45:35,791
It will be different already.
836
00:45:35,791 --> 00:45:40,250
Listen, and speaking of really
returning from Colombia, it is good to
837
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:45,208
mention that we are recording this
episode just before I go to Colombia
838
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:49,333
and we love all the information
you shared with us last night.
839
00:45:49,375 --> 00:45:52,375
That's exactly what had to be said,
right?
840
00:45:52,375 --> 00:45:53,291
Thank you very much.
841
00:45:53,291 --> 00:45:56,291
Thank you very much
Marbella for representing Afrochingonas
842
00:45:56,291 --> 00:45:59,416
at this World conference
on harm reduction.
843
00:45:59,416 --> 00:46:00,625
Very excited.
844
00:46:00,625 --> 00:46:02,333
We learned a lot.
845
00:46:02,333 --> 00:46:04,583
We are going to continue learning.
846
00:46:04,583 --> 00:46:06,000
And well, we are going to continue the
conversation.
847
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,041
But you just have to keep
848
00:46:07,041 --> 00:46:10,958
in mind that we are recording this
episode before Mar
849
00:46:11,291 --> 00:46:12,541
goes to Colombia.
850
00:46:12,541 --> 00:46:15,291
So probably there are things that.
851
00:46:16,333 --> 00:46:17,000
Claras.
852
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,500
Us who aren't so clear at the moment,
but that doesn't mean...
853
00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:24,000
Oh my God, that, uh-huh.
854
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,375
That that.
855
00:46:25,375 --> 00:46:27,833
Yes, that. Cool, totally.
856
00:46:27,833 --> 00:46:30,625
Well, something I wanted to tell you,
oh, sorry that I'm
857
00:46:30,625 --> 00:46:34,625
talking about myself all the time, but
it's just that this topic really hit me.
858
00:46:34,958 --> 00:46:36,000
Something I wanted to tell you
859
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,875
is that I'm very curious in every
way, very curious.
860
00:46:40,333 --> 00:46:41,875
I like curiosity.
861
00:46:41,875 --> 00:46:44,250
Curiosity killed the cat, you knew.
Well, so far I'm still alive.
862
00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:46,541
Today, well, 32 years old.
863
00:46:46,541 --> 00:46:49,541
32 years of curiosity. Running.
864
00:46:49,958 --> 00:46:50,666
But.
865
00:46:50,666 --> 00:46:56,250
32 years, 33 32 Jaguar
I just turned 31 33.
866
00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:59,250
That's why 33 years, of course. 30.
867
00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:01,083
Look even more. 30.
868
00:47:01,083 --> 00:47:03,000
I think she got high before.
869
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,000
I I also think he's there because
you invited him.
870
00:47:06,041 --> 00:47:08,958
Get him out, get him out. I feel so happy.
871
00:47:08,958 --> 00:47:11,958
Oh, the drug of. Happiness, the. Drugs.
872
00:47:12,208 --> 00:47:13,791
Friendship. It's a drug.
873
00:47:13,791 --> 00:47:15,291
The friendship of the good ones.
874
00:47:15,291 --> 00:47:18,041
Don't do drugs, have friends the.
875
00:47:18,041 --> 00:47:19,125
One or the.
876
00:47:19,125 --> 00:47:20,541
Another. Go out with friends.
877
00:47:20,541 --> 00:47:22,833
Not what there is there is
878
00:47:24,291 --> 00:47:24,958
what. I mean, what.
879
00:47:24,958 --> 00:47:25,500
I was going to tell you.
880
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:28,916
Is that I'm very curious and that
curiosity has led me has led me
881
00:47:28,916 --> 00:47:34,041
to try some substances that are drugs.
Right?
882
00:47:34,750 --> 00:47:37,375
Uh, for example, the air.
883
00:47:37,375 --> 00:47:37,958
From the. Balloons.
884
00:47:37,958 --> 00:47:40,958
Yes, the air from the balloons, uh,
885
00:47:41,666 --> 00:47:43,708
the thinner,
886
00:47:43,708 --> 00:47:46,708
marijuana, and cocaine.
887
00:47:46,833 --> 00:47:49,291
No way. You tried cocaine?
888
00:47:49,291 --> 00:47:52,291
Mmm. Define.
889
00:47:52,375 --> 00:47:55,083
Define, try, define. Try. No. Uh-huh.
890
00:47:55,083 --> 00:47:57,666
Well. Mmm,
891
00:47:57,666 --> 00:47:58,541
yes, define try.
892
00:47:58,541 --> 00:47:59,708
I say I tried it.
893
00:47:59,708 --> 00:48:02,000
In my experience, that's trying it.
894
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,500
And all that happened was that I had
gone on a weekend
895
00:48:05,666 --> 00:48:11,666
with an ex-partner to the house of a
friend of his in Texcoco,
896
00:48:11,666 --> 00:48:15,875
I don't remember where and like they
had bought cocaine.
897
00:48:15,875 --> 00:48:22,333
I had never, never tried it or anything
and like I grabbed my finger like this and
898
00:48:22,375 --> 00:48:24,625
poked it. Yes, and. The hit. Uh-huh.
899
00:48:26,125 --> 00:48:27,791
Mmm, horrible.
900
00:48:27,791 --> 00:48:28,875
You didn't like it?
901
00:48:28,875 --> 00:48:31,875
Zero, that is, zero. And that's my point.
902
00:48:31,875 --> 00:48:35,500
That's why I want to share my experience,
because it's how we've been told that
903
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:38,500
if you get close, you'll love it,
you'll get hooked.
904
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:39,000
And it will be.
905
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,250
Fatal destiny.
906
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:44,416
And in my curiosity, I don't think
I've tried a lot of things either.
907
00:48:44,416 --> 00:48:45,500
I mean, actually, just a little bit.
908
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:48,500
Oh, well, and also LSD. Ah, me too.
909
00:48:48,833 --> 00:48:50,375
And this.
910
00:48:50,375 --> 00:48:53,000
I mean, it's not a spectrum, like a...
Giant.
911
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,833
Gigantic, but I've given myself my...
912
00:48:55,833 --> 00:48:56,583
Pleasures once.
913
00:48:56,583 --> 00:49:01,708
Once on a marijuana trip, listening to a
Pink Floyd song,
914
00:49:01,791 --> 00:49:06,625
so long, like ten minutes long, I was
afraid of going crazy.
915
00:49:07,125 --> 00:49:09,625
I said, like, I think I can
916
00:49:09,625 --> 00:49:12,750
stay in this trip and it scared me a lot.
917
00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:16,250
And after that, like, ugh,
918
00:49:16,708 --> 00:49:19,833
the trips were constant,
they were permanent
919
00:49:20,125 --> 00:49:25,250
and then it was at that moment
that I was sure it was no longer convenient
920
00:49:25,875 --> 00:49:28,875
to do it because I'm not emotionally
well. Mhm.
921
00:49:28,875 --> 00:49:32,541
I was depressed, I had just come out of
the accident.
922
00:49:32,916 --> 00:49:35,416
I was with the damn wretch.
923
00:49:35,416 --> 00:49:36,375
The substance.
924
00:49:36,375 --> 00:49:37,750
Hello Santiago, Eh.
925
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:42,250
He was a very problematic
marijuana user
926
00:49:42,833 --> 00:49:46,250
and that day I told him I'm going to go
crazy.
927
00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:49,375
I mean, I felt the madness
present in that trip
928
00:49:49,916 --> 00:49:52,458
and it scared me a lot.
929
00:49:52,458 --> 00:49:54,500
And I think that. This is going to be a
very long episode and...
930
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:55,500
I love it.
931
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:59,458
For example, how it smells,
how solvents smell,
932
00:49:59,458 --> 00:50:03,708
paint, gasoline, glue.
933
00:50:04,041 --> 00:50:06,875
I'm fascinated by those smells and I say
934
00:50:06,875 --> 00:50:12,333
maybe if I didn't have the context
that I have, the support
935
00:50:12,333 --> 00:50:16,708
that I have from my family
or the social class I belong to,
936
00:50:17,083 --> 00:50:20,083
maybe I, I mean, that smell
937
00:50:20,208 --> 00:50:24,500
or that, damn, that I love, that could
make me
938
00:50:25,916 --> 00:50:27,041
addicted.
939
00:50:27,041 --> 00:50:29,750
Don't they know that no, uh? Exactly.
940
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:33,625
I mean, it causes me a problem
to say this to I causes me a problem and I
941
00:50:33,625 --> 00:50:38,291
say it, uh, no, but there is a belief
that also physiologically
942
00:50:38,833 --> 00:50:43,750
and like for all, all the genetic
information that we have,
943
00:50:44,125 --> 00:50:48,375
that makes us that certain substances
or certain
944
00:50:48,833 --> 00:50:52,250
like body chemistry, attract our attention
more than others, right?
945
00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:53,291
I mean, for example,
946
00:50:53,291 --> 00:50:54,000
just a little
947
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,583
what we talked about if you come from a
family
948
00:50:55,583 --> 00:50:57,375
in which alcohol consumption has been
949
00:50:57,375 --> 00:51:01,750
problematic, has been constant, as if
that tendency to grab that substance
950
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:06,500
and so on is also within you and...
plaintext
951
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:08,166
About.
952
00:51:08,166 --> 00:51:11,166
This thing about trips,
953
00:51:11,166 --> 00:51:14,166
drugs and trying them, I've
954
00:51:14,166 --> 00:51:17,416
been curious, but
955
00:51:17,416 --> 00:51:20,458
not so much if I have like. A
956
00:51:21,583 --> 00:51:25,000
part here of the set of the set
957
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:28,500
and enduring,
958
00:51:28,750 --> 00:51:32,375
enduring that this glue is.
959
00:51:34,958 --> 00:51:36,208
Eh, no!
960
00:51:36,208 --> 00:51:40,041
Eh, Something that has caught my
attention, and I say it's not like I've
961
00:51:40,041 --> 00:51:41,791
experimented too much with drugs.
962
00:51:41,791 --> 00:51:44,875
I don't know, I've only tried
marijuana, eh,
963
00:51:44,875 --> 00:51:47,875
alcohol, eh?
964
00:51:47,916 --> 00:51:50,625
The magic mushrooms and I think that's it.
965
00:51:50,625 --> 00:51:51,708
Ah, I also take advantage.
966
00:51:51,708 --> 00:51:53,250
Like I remember.
967
00:51:53,250 --> 00:51:54,958
Now that you mentioned that, both of you.
968
00:51:54,958 --> 00:52:00,833
I was like, I was telling you that day
these questions and that day.
969
00:52:00,833 --> 00:52:04,750
Ah, look, look, that day something
very curious happened, I mean, I can share it,
970
00:52:05,625 --> 00:52:06,666
I'm not going to share details.
971
00:52:06,666 --> 00:52:09,125
I don't remember, I don't know what goes, share it.
972
00:52:09,125 --> 00:52:10,041
Well.
973
00:52:10,041 --> 00:52:12,833
It's that time I. Remember that.
974
00:52:12,833 --> 00:52:14,500
The three of us ate a little.
975
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:18,500
And. It affected us in completely
different ways.
976
00:52:18,916 --> 00:52:21,833
I remember I felt
so happy like I hadn't felt
977
00:52:21,833 --> 00:52:25,291
in a while, but I was like
very happy and I remember that.
978
00:52:25,583 --> 00:52:29,208
And Mar suddenly was crying
uncontrollably, questioning things.
979
00:52:29,250 --> 00:52:32,250
That I. I think. Super. I.
980
00:52:32,458 --> 00:52:34,583
End with Alejandro.
981
00:52:34,583 --> 00:52:38,458
And just talk about this relationship
that is also emotionally
982
00:52:38,458 --> 00:52:41,875
with the use of substances totally
and besides that, what has also caught my
983
00:52:41,875 --> 00:52:45,625
attention is like the use of substances
984
00:52:46,041 --> 00:52:50,791
like psychotropic and natural,
I mean, and I put very in quotes eh,
985
00:52:51,708 --> 00:52:55,708
very soon the designation to this,
like in healing topics, not only
986
00:52:55,708 --> 00:52:56,750
physical healing,
987
00:52:56,750 --> 00:53:01,625
but spiritual healing,
like this thing with mushrooms and ayahuasca.
988
00:53:01,625 --> 00:53:04,958
That psilocybin even.
989
00:53:06,416 --> 00:53:07,833
Right? Exactly,
990
00:53:07,833 --> 00:53:10,791
that have been eh, ancestral knowledge
991
00:53:10,791 --> 00:53:13,791
that are also now very scientific,
992
00:53:14,125 --> 00:53:17,375
that there are practices
that even gentrification
993
00:53:17,375 --> 00:53:22,166
and trivialize spirituality,
like the use of these substances.
994
00:53:22,166 --> 00:53:24,291
And that catches my attention a lot.
995
00:53:24,291 --> 00:53:27,541
And I would like
to try one day like a mushroom trip
996
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:30,083
yes, or an ayahuasca trip.
997
00:53:30,083 --> 00:53:31,750
I have my I'm scared.
998
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:32,708
I'm also scared,
999
00:53:32,708 --> 00:53:36,666
but I have a bunch of friends
who do this today and go to the mountains of
1000
00:53:36,666 --> 00:53:41,625
I don't know where to try mushrooms
or go to the desert to try the toad.
1001
00:53:41,625 --> 00:53:46,291
No es si del de los
ay, se me fue el nombre, la ayahuasca.
1002
00:53:46,583 --> 00:53:48,833
El peyote, el peyote.
1003
00:53:48,833 --> 00:53:53,541
O sea, como que si hay un
un turismo que exotismo
1004
00:53:53,916 --> 00:53:58,833
el uso de estos eh alucinógenos y que.
1005
00:53:58,833 --> 00:53:59,666
Y que si yo en.
1006
00:53:59,666 --> 00:54:00,625
Colombia lo.
1007
00:54:00,625 --> 00:54:02,083
Descontextualiza de.
1008
00:54:02,083 --> 00:54:05,541
Su coca, pero una coca, el hoja de coca.
1009
00:54:05,541 --> 00:54:08,666
Hoja de coca, la que se llama
y que además esa hoja es como muy
1010
00:54:08,666 --> 00:54:13,500
así utilizada
no solamente como droga sino como para,
1011
00:54:13,791 --> 00:54:17,625
no sé, darte energía, dar como ciertas,
como otras funciones.
1012
00:54:17,875 --> 00:54:22,625
¿La gente que vive en la zona
alta de la Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta,
1013
00:54:22,625 --> 00:54:27,583
donde vas a ir los Arhuacos, que son los
que tejen estas mochilas que vas a ver,
1014
00:54:28,666 --> 00:54:31,416
pero son las que son de colores
como tierra,
1015
00:54:31,416 --> 00:54:34,750
no las que son coloridas, porque esas
las hacen los wayuu en La Guajira,
1016
00:54:35,416 --> 00:54:39,208
pero los Arhuacos mastican
todo el tiempo, eh?
1017
00:54:39,541 --> 00:54:43,875
Nosotros los ves y tienen aquí una bola
porque están masticando todo el tiempo
1018
00:54:43,875 --> 00:54:48,416
la coca, porque viven en zonas muy altas
de la montaña y eso les sirve
1019
00:54:48,625 --> 00:54:52,916
para tener energía,
para contrarrestar la altura, etcétera
1020
00:54:53,208 --> 00:54:57,416
Y pues lo hacen eh, como una forma,
una práctica cotidiana.
1021
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:02,166
¿Pero justo
no decimos que la cocaína no es la coca,
1022
00:55:02,166 --> 00:55:05,166
la cocaína es la modificación
1023
00:55:05,625 --> 00:55:11,833
que han hecho estos laboratorios
de esa misma sustancia y que la han vuelto
1024
00:55:11,833 --> 00:55:17,500
pues una mercancía en este mercado
capitalista despiadado de muerte, no?
1025
00:55:17,541 --> 00:55:18,250
Claro.
1026
00:55:18,250 --> 00:55:22,625
¿Porque justo estábamos hablando un poco
de que es una droga en la sección pasada
1027
00:55:23,125 --> 00:55:25,833
y yo este podría decir que la droga
1028
00:55:25,833 --> 00:55:29,041
hoy en día, o sea, podría definirla, eh?
1029
00:55:30,041 --> 00:55:32,791
Hoy en día,
en el contexto en el que nos encontramos
1030
00:55:32,791 --> 00:55:35,500
como una mercancía, un producto
1031
00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:38,500
producido por los laboratorios,
1032
00:55:38,958 --> 00:55:41,958
inoculado en las comunidades
1033
00:55:42,166 --> 00:55:45,833
y como un mecanismo de
contra insurrección, esto lo estoy sacando
1034
00:55:45,833 --> 00:55:49,458
de que es inoculado, inoculado,
es que lo implementan
1035
00:55:49,666 --> 00:55:55,916
lo este, lo imponen,
imponen los consumos en las comunidades.
1036
00:55:56,375 --> 00:55:59,250
Eh, y esto, esto no me lo inventé
yo, no lo saqué.
1037
00:55:59,250 --> 00:56:04,416
¿Esto es una lectura que hice muy juiciosa
de un pantera
1038
00:56:04,416 --> 00:56:07,916
negra, ex
pantera negra que se llama Michael Tabor,
1039
00:56:08,458 --> 00:56:12,458
eh Michael se
yo Tabor, que fue un integrante
1040
00:56:12,875 --> 00:56:15,875
de las Panteras Negras que tiene un texto
1041
00:56:16,291 --> 00:56:19,291
que les vamos a recomendar, que se llama
1042
00:56:20,375 --> 00:56:21,500
Por aquí lo tengo anotado
1043
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:24,500
Capitalismo, más drogas,
igual genocidio, eh?
1044
00:56:24,541 --> 00:56:27,541
Y que habla de cómo este, eh.
1045
00:56:27,833 --> 00:56:31,541
Sí, justamente las drogas,
especialmente la heroína y la cocaína,
1046
00:56:31,791 --> 00:56:36,416
fueron sustancias producidas
en los laboratorios implementados en las
1047
00:56:36,625 --> 00:56:40,375
en las comunidades negras para fragmentar
1048
00:56:40,375 --> 00:56:43,541
la posibilidad de organización política.
1049
00:56:43,541 --> 00:56:43,833
Claro.
1050
00:56:43,833 --> 00:56:47,666
Y él dice Si los jóvenes están en drogas,
no podrán ocuparse
1051
00:56:47,666 --> 00:56:51,250
of a revolution, of an effective
struggle for liberation.
1052
00:56:51,625 --> 00:56:55,166
And that is a criticism that the
Black Panthers made at the time,
1053
00:56:55,166 --> 00:57:00,291
and other groups of Latin migrant
people in New York,
1054
00:57:00,291 --> 00:57:06,291
specifically about the problematic
use of drugs in their communities.
1055
00:57:06,291 --> 00:57:08,833
More or less
in the sixties in the United States.
1056
00:57:10,583 --> 00:57:12,916
No, no, how strong.
1057
00:57:12,916 --> 00:57:14,375
That it is very strong.
1058
00:57:14,375 --> 00:57:18,625
It is not that I really have so many
things to say that I do not even understand
1059
00:57:18,625 --> 00:57:23,833
my own notes, but I wanted to say that
I feel it is important
1060
00:57:24,583 --> 00:57:27,083
for me to talk about my experience
1061
00:57:27,083 --> 00:57:30,083
and listen to your experiences,
1062
00:57:30,166 --> 00:57:34,541
because that helps me just to
diversify the way in which
1063
00:57:35,125 --> 00:57:38,000
I can understand the relationship
with drugs.
1064
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,000
No, and not like thinking
1065
00:57:41,083 --> 00:57:44,083
I'm not sure, I don't know, but
1066
00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:47,333
maybe, uh, think
1067
00:57:47,333 --> 00:57:50,333
that if you had grown up in another
environment
1068
00:57:51,833 --> 00:57:53,750
your relationship with drugs
would be different.
1069
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:57,375
I feel like yes, but at the same time
I feel like it can be stigmatizing.
1070
00:57:57,375 --> 00:57:59,083
I do not know how to explain it.
1071
00:57:59,083 --> 00:58:00,125
I do not understand.
1072
00:58:00,125 --> 00:58:01,708
I mean. I understand more or less.
1073
00:58:01,708 --> 00:58:04,291
I mean, as stigmatizing
1074
00:58:04,291 --> 00:58:07,916
in terms of how you grew up
and were born in the periphery and in the
neighborhood.
1075
00:58:08,208 --> 00:58:11,208
So, do you have more tendency
to it or not?
1076
00:58:11,625 --> 00:58:14,666
Yes, aha, yes, it is yes, a little that,
1077
00:58:15,125 --> 00:58:18,958
but just like thinking
that that can happen.
1078
00:58:19,375 --> 00:58:21,958
I mean,
like I feel that maybe other people
1079
00:58:21,958 --> 00:58:25,125
in the same circumstances
could develop it.
1080
00:58:25,791 --> 00:58:30,000
I mean, develop a problematic
relationship with drugs.
1081
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,541
I don't know if I explain myself.
So, that's why I wanted to.
1082
00:58:32,541 --> 00:58:34,500
Diversify the one of. Solvent, no?
1083
00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:35,708
Like if I feel that
1084
00:58:35,708 --> 00:58:39,125
that if I had been born
in other circumstances maybe it would have
been
1085
00:58:40,375 --> 00:58:41,791
addicted to solvent, right?
1086
00:58:41,791 --> 00:58:43,041
I mean, because I like it.
1087
00:58:43,041 --> 00:58:45,500
I mean, I
love the way that thing smells, but.
1088
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:47,708
What I mean
is that that is a possibility,
1089
00:58:47,708 --> 00:58:51,291
but it is also a possibility
that another person in your circumstances
1090
00:58:52,541 --> 00:58:54,416
yours,
1091
00:58:54,416 --> 00:58:56,875
if it had been, I don't know how to
explain it.
1092
00:58:56,875 --> 00:58:59,500
I mean,
is that I feel that. I still do not understand.
1093
00:58:59,500 --> 00:59:01,041
That I don't know how to explain it.
1094
00:59:01,041 --> 00:59:03,250
I feel like
1095
00:59:03,250 --> 00:59:06,250
that has to do with that
1096
00:59:06,916 --> 00:59:09,125
that that possibility
1097
00:59:09,125 --> 00:59:12,416
exists on both sides,
like in both senses.
1098
00:59:12,666 --> 00:59:16,583
I mean, it does not depend like 100%
of all the context.
1099
00:59:16,583 --> 00:59:20,916
I mean, maybe the way I see it a bit
is with alcohol, right?
1100
00:59:20,958 --> 00:59:25,166
I mean, maybe in less
privileged contexts
1101
00:59:25,625 --> 00:59:30,291
be it as an important issue, but also
in very privileged contexts.
1102
00:59:30,833 --> 00:59:34,500
Alcoholism can occur, and then
I think a lot about two examples, right?
1103
00:59:34,500 --> 00:59:37,708
I mean, I think of my uncle who already
1104
00:59:37,708 --> 00:59:41,500
his PDF level is such that he reaches a
point where after the third, oh, sorry.
1105
00:59:42,833 --> 00:59:43,125
He arrives.
1106
00:59:43,125 --> 00:59:47,125
After
after he loses consciousness.
1107
00:59:47,291 --> 00:59:50,666
I mean, well, he doesn't lose
consciousness, but he starts like, ah,
1108
00:59:51,125 --> 00:59:52,375
he loses it.
1109
00:59:52,375 --> 00:59:57,083
And I remembered an influencer
who was founded a long time ago
1110
00:59:57,083 --> 01:00:02,500
on TikTok, uh, because she showed
some monkeys that were from her dad and.
1111
01:00:02,500 --> 01:00:04,250
But she speaks.
1112
01:00:04,250 --> 01:00:06,416
Of my sister.
1113
01:00:06,416 --> 01:00:07,916
Nirvana, Nirvana.
1114
01:00:07,916 --> 01:00:11,083
Nirvana
and she talks about suffering from alcoholism.
1115
01:00:11,083 --> 01:00:14,083
I mean, well, after being alcoholic
1116
01:00:14,291 --> 01:00:19,083
and she also talks about how in her
environment the consumption of
1117
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,500
alcohol was very normalized and how it
was something she could access easily.
1118
01:00:24,500 --> 01:00:26,375
I mean, I think. Like, yes.
1119
01:00:26,375 --> 01:00:30,541
I think that, I mean, if we all have
a certain susceptibility
1120
01:00:30,958 --> 01:00:35,083
to consuming these substances,
because in the end we all have a body
1121
01:00:35,416 --> 01:00:39,208
and more or less our bodies
work the same way.
1122
01:00:39,500 --> 01:00:42,250
However, I think there are
conditioners
1123
01:00:42,250 --> 01:00:45,416
like class and race
that determine the conseq
1124
01:00:46,041 --> 01:00:49,750
or also the probabilities of getting out
of recovering.
1125
01:00:50,083 --> 01:00:51,958
Uh, once, of course.
1126
01:00:51,958 --> 01:00:54,166
Not like this girl, Nirvana Hanks.
1127
01:00:54,166 --> 01:00:57,166
This she, uh, has been.
1128
01:00:57,416 --> 01:01:01,041
She has lived a rehabilitation plan and
1129
01:01:01,291 --> 01:01:04,125
I don't know what the correct term is.
1130
01:01:04,125 --> 01:01:07,083
You'll tell us
when you return to Bogotá what it is.
1131
01:01:07,083 --> 01:01:11,125
But she just had economic conditions
and a support network
1132
01:01:11,125 --> 01:01:15,666
that facilitated
that she got out of that condition, right?
1133
01:01:15,666 --> 01:01:18,666
And for example,
these guys, uh, I'm sorry.
1134
01:01:19,500 --> 01:01:23,750
Yes. I mean, I want to,
I want to finish this, uh, Right.
1135
01:01:24,375 --> 01:01:27,375
Or for example,
people who sell drugs, right?
1136
01:01:27,416 --> 01:01:31,750
Because drug today
is a market in which they are involved.
1137
01:01:32,041 --> 01:01:35,583
Uh, capitalists, gentlemen,
with a lot of money, right?
1138
01:01:35,666 --> 01:01:38,666
People who have legal businesses
1139
01:01:38,875 --> 01:01:44,333
but who also use those
legal companies to, uh, launder.
1140
01:01:44,333 --> 01:01:47,333
Sorry to use this term
to launder the money that
1141
01:01:47,333 --> 01:01:50,958
they also earn from drugs
and they don't go to jail.
1142
01:01:50,958 --> 01:01:54,458
Those who go to jail
are the kids who sell marijuana
1143
01:01:54,458 --> 01:01:58,458
here on the corner,
women who see an economic possibility
1144
01:01:58,458 --> 01:02:02,916
in selling marijuana or consumers
who have problematic use.
1145
01:02:02,916 --> 01:02:03,750
So yes.
1146
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:07,791
I mean, I think that, uh, all of us
can consume
1147
01:02:08,083 --> 01:02:12,666
and we can generate a problematic
relationship with these substances.
1148
01:02:12,916 --> 01:02:16,500
However, socially and legally
and politically.
1149
01:02:16,708 --> 01:02:19,291
Not all of us
live those consequences
1150
01:02:19,291 --> 01:02:22,291
because there are differences,
there are hierarchies of race and class
1151
01:02:22,291 --> 01:02:26,000
that are important when facing
those consequences.
1152
01:02:26,250 --> 01:02:27,583
Yes, totally.
1153
01:02:27,583 --> 01:02:28,833
I totally agree.
1154
01:02:28,833 --> 01:02:32,750
And here I think that's exactly why
the importance of reduction comes in.
1155
01:02:33,291 --> 01:02:34,583
Totally. Of harm.
1156
01:02:34,583 --> 01:02:37,583
That is, it has, I feel like it has
everything to do with it, because
1157
01:02:38,333 --> 01:02:43,708
I feel that resuming, uh, like the
narrative also exists,
1158
01:02:43,708 --> 01:02:48,625
uh, what you mention has to do
with not associating, uh,
1159
01:02:49,708 --> 01:02:51,041
the aspects of
1160
01:02:51,041 --> 01:02:54,833
race with consumption, that is,
that black people are more likely
1161
01:02:54,833 --> 01:02:59,291
to consume or something, because I feel
that information is biased.
1162
01:02:59,291 --> 01:03:00,125
is biased.
1163
01:03:00,125 --> 01:03:05,791
So knowing that it exists, like for me
knowing that there is a possibility,
1164
01:03:05,791 --> 01:03:10,041
that is, a range of very different
or very diverse possibilities,
1165
01:03:10,041 --> 01:03:13,916
rather, of relating to drug use,
makes me feel informed and feeling
1166
01:03:14,083 --> 01:03:19,041
informed makes me feel, uh, more secure
in the decisions that I can make.
1167
01:03:19,458 --> 01:03:24,208
that I can make.
1168
01:03:24,208 --> 01:03:28,500
And so I feel it has everything to do
with it, because harm reduction
1169
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:33,875
is focused on the impacts precisely
of these contexts
1170
01:03:33,875 --> 01:03:38,375
and of these situations that can occur
in many aspects,
1171
01:03:38,666 --> 01:03:41,083
are reduced, that is, the impact
of these damages is reduced as much
1172
01:03:41,083 --> 01:03:44,083
as possible for those who do,
for everyone.
1173
01:03:44,375 --> 01:03:46,500
That is, for those who decide to consume
and...
1174
01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:49,500
For those who don't too. That is, like.
1175
01:03:49,666 --> 01:03:54,166
And how to address also just this
a little bit that you already mentioned,
1176
01:03:54,541 --> 01:03:58,000
Malú, how to address the problem.
1177
01:03:58,208 --> 01:04:01,000
Well, I don't want to say problem, how
to address the situation from different
1178
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,750
angles too, right?
1179
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:07,166
That is, because it's not just like,
well, I inform you first consumer
1180
01:04:07,166 --> 01:04:12,583
who is curious, but also I accompany
you and support you.
1181
01:04:12,583 --> 01:04:15,000
Frequent consumer. Exactly.
1182
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,750
But there's something else that also
seems very interesting to me, like
1183
01:04:18,750 --> 01:04:21,625
talking about this history of drug use.
1184
01:04:21,625 --> 01:04:24,541
Well, you don't want to improve the idea
of...
1185
01:04:24,541 --> 01:04:25,875
Sorry, it's that...
1186
01:04:25,875 --> 01:04:30,458
That problematic drug use occurs in
capitalism, that is, because... Other.
1187
01:04:30,750 --> 01:04:31,666
that is, because... Other.
1188
01:04:31,666 --> 01:04:34,666
Cultures have not developed what
we call addiction in other economic
1189
01:04:34,666 --> 01:04:39,041
we call addiction in other economic
systems.
1190
01:04:39,291 --> 01:04:42,333
Because the vision of drugs is
completely different, which a little
1191
01:04:42,333 --> 01:04:46,000
has to do with this of using
hallucinogenic mushrooms to heal,
1192
01:04:46,250 --> 01:04:49,916
to understand them, beyond even
understanding healing beyond
1193
01:04:49,916 --> 01:04:54,000
medications, but as something
spiritual,
1194
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,583
like connecting with other processes,
with other sensations, with other things.
1195
01:04:58,833 --> 01:04:59,166
And yes,
1196
01:04:59,166 --> 01:05:01,291
I feel that it has a lot to do with
capitalism and I feel that that could
1197
01:05:01,291 --> 01:05:04,291
give us a topic for another episode,
because capitalism is a piece of
1198
01:05:04,500 --> 01:05:09,083
because capitalism is a piece of
shit and it's also a piece of shit
1199
01:05:09,541 --> 01:05:13,750
with drugs, right? And this that we
talk about risk reduction and how to
1200
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:18,958
address from different fronts these
different uh
1201
01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:21,833
conditions that can
1202
01:05:21,833 --> 01:05:26,750
have effects on the way
someone can fight, so to speak,
1203
01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:31,458
or can approach less risky consumption.
1204
01:05:32,166 --> 01:05:33,875
Eh? They help a lot, don't they?
1205
01:05:33,875 --> 01:05:35,125
And what I'm getting at
1206
01:05:35,125 --> 01:05:38,375
is that today, well, I want to mention
an association called Verter,
1207
01:05:38,375 --> 01:05:41,833
a collective called Verter,
who work, I hope I don't say it wrong
1208
01:05:41,875 --> 01:05:46,166
in Tijuana, with migrant population,
mainly fentanyl users
1209
01:05:46,791 --> 01:05:49,750
and and of and of other substances.
1210
01:05:49,750 --> 01:05:51,833
And is it just, huh?
1211
01:05:51,833 --> 01:05:57,916
Well, when your economic conditions
are not favorable or privileged,
1212
01:05:58,250 --> 01:06:01,041
it is usually more prone
1213
01:06:01,041 --> 01:06:05,250
to fall into risky practices
when consuming, right?
1214
01:06:05,291 --> 01:06:09,291
That is, for example, to inject
certain substances it is more likely
1215
01:06:09,291 --> 01:06:14,583
to reuse syringes and that can cause
other types of effects to
1216
01:06:14,625 --> 01:06:18,083
if you have access to buy syringes
1217
01:06:18,083 --> 01:06:23,916
to consume your substance, to be able
to provide you with everything that
1218
01:06:23,916 --> 01:06:27,666
involves consuming certain substances,
then being able to accompany
1219
01:06:27,666 --> 01:06:31,125
and being able to have that space
from different places, that to me
1220
01:06:31,125 --> 01:06:35,000
it seems
like something very important to do
1221
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:39,708
and that could not be done
if it comes back again to a a.
1222
01:06:40,958 --> 01:06:41,375
To the.
1223
01:06:41,375 --> 01:06:44,791
Total reduction by saying
don't consume to total prohibition.
1224
01:06:45,291 --> 01:06:48,791
And it also seems important to me
like this work, I don't have right now
1225
01:06:48,791 --> 01:06:52,041
the name of the collectives,
but this work they do in concerts,
1226
01:06:52,041 --> 01:06:56,833
at parties no, for example
Decolonization, which is a party eh?
1227
01:06:56,833 --> 01:07:00,333
That generate,
that are friends of ours eh?
1228
01:07:00,333 --> 01:07:02,500
There they also take testing.
1229
01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:04,500
Of drugs.
1230
01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:06,833
Of substances
and that also seems very important to me,
1231
01:07:06,833 --> 01:07:11,333
because with all this merchandising,
merchandising, merchandising,
1232
01:07:11,333 --> 01:07:14,708
merchandising of substances
that capitalism carries, suddenly
1233
01:07:15,166 --> 01:07:18,166
there has also been like a,
1234
01:07:19,208 --> 01:07:20,750
like a problem of
1235
01:07:20,750 --> 01:07:25,500
that they suddenly sell you
adulterated LSD, I mean, like.
1236
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:27,833
Instead of.
Get us into drugs like before.
1237
01:07:27,833 --> 01:07:30,833
They sell you a pig in a poke, says grandma.
1238
01:07:30,875 --> 01:07:34,583
And that has super hard effects
that has even claimed the lives of
1239
01:07:34,583 --> 01:07:35,416
several people.
1240
01:07:35,416 --> 01:07:40,291
Yes, to me, like all those initiatives
and everything calls my attention a lot
1241
01:07:40,291 --> 01:07:44,083
because I feel that
1242
01:07:45,375 --> 01:07:48,125
from just, from my curiosity,
1243
01:07:48,125 --> 01:07:51,958
like having a space
or knowing that there is a space in which
1244
01:07:52,250 --> 01:07:55,750
I can go and like feed,
1245
01:07:55,791 --> 01:07:59,541
not feed,
but like pay attention to my curiosity
1246
01:07:59,541 --> 01:08:05,458
and attend to it rather in a space
accompanied by people, professionals,
1247
01:08:05,666 --> 01:08:10,958
medical personnel, people who may know
about substances and test it or such
1248
01:08:11,250 --> 01:08:15,791
makes me have the certainty that
if I want to eh
1249
01:08:16,375 --> 01:08:19,166
do eh,
1250
01:08:19,166 --> 01:08:20,750
justly the.
1251
01:08:20,750 --> 01:08:24,416
The impact that this may have on me
will be as minimal as possible,
1252
01:08:24,416 --> 01:08:29,416
because there is a collective
environment of care and I find that
1253
01:08:29,416 --> 01:08:34,083
very interesting, especially thinking
about my experience that I have
1254
01:08:35,416 --> 01:08:38,416
was something that
1255
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,041
or is something that rather almost
not, I have not spoken and not shared.
1256
01:08:43,041 --> 01:08:47,958
But I had a moment of addiction
to marijuana, right?
1257
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,916
I mean, like, the truth.
1258
01:08:49,916 --> 01:08:51,083
That one hasn't been taken away from me.
1259
01:08:52,291 --> 01:08:55,291
that positive one of
1260
01:08:55,708 --> 01:08:57,750
positive, that one is not talked about.
1261
01:08:57,750 --> 01:09:00,250
Well, yes it is talked about.
1262
01:09:00,250 --> 01:09:02,625
But it is not an addiction
1263
01:09:02,625 --> 01:09:08,416
or a conflicting relationship,
or how do you say, a use
1264
01:09:08,416 --> 01:09:12,083
problematic, a problematic
approach to marijuana.
1265
01:09:12,375 --> 01:09:15,750
And I feel that it really has
I have so many ideas, but
1266
01:09:16,125 --> 01:09:21,041
I feel that it also has to do
with this thing we were talking about
1267
01:09:21,750 --> 01:09:25,166
like the emotional state as well
and like many factors
1268
01:09:25,166 --> 01:09:30,291
that have to do with how we are
so that this effect.
1269
01:09:30,625 --> 01:09:32,958
Have. An impact. Exactly.
1270
01:09:32,958 --> 01:09:36,041
I mean, like what I was saying,
not like in these circumstances
1271
01:09:36,041 --> 01:09:37,541
it can happen, but also in these,
1272
01:09:37,541 --> 01:09:42,000
but mixed with these other
circumstances, it causes certain effects.
1273
01:09:42,416 --> 01:09:44,250
Sure, and.
1274
01:09:44,250 --> 01:09:47,541
And it was a very complicated stage
because
1275
01:09:48,833 --> 01:09:53,958
I. I mean, like I couldn't do
anything in my life without smoking
1276
01:09:54,083 --> 01:09:55,291
marijuana. I have. Met several people.
1277
01:09:55,291 --> 01:09:57,916
I mean, like I couldn't be,
but really. Nothing.
1278
01:09:57,916 --> 01:09:58,791
That they don't have.
1279
01:09:58,791 --> 01:10:03,291
Exactly,
But today and here, I want to open
1280
01:10:03,833 --> 01:10:07,166
the section Your most humble
moment in drug use.
1281
01:10:07,250 --> 01:10:10,875
No, but wait, I wanted to say
something related to this,
1282
01:10:10,875 --> 01:10:16,583
that they have named consumption rooms
and like, uh, harm reduction.
1283
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:21,916
And it seems to me that along with
all these things and that surely there
1284
01:10:21,916 --> 01:10:25,916
are many people who are going to
talk about this at that conference
1285
01:10:26,375 --> 01:10:31,458
you are going to attend, is that what
precisely keeps it in secrecy
1286
01:10:31,708 --> 01:10:35,625
and that stigma that it is bad,
that you are going to get hooked,
1287
01:10:36,083 --> 01:10:40,083
that bla, bla bla is secrecy
and the global prohibitionist policy
1288
01:10:40,083 --> 01:10:42,750
that has been driven mainly
by the United States,
1289
01:10:42,750 --> 01:10:45,750
not to maintain a war
against drugs.
1290
01:10:45,833 --> 01:10:48,833
I mean, without that war against drugs
1291
01:10:49,250 --> 01:10:51,958
I feel that there would not be
that use,
1292
01:10:51,958 --> 01:10:56,000
that problematic use, that
problematic relationship with
1293
01:10:56,458 --> 01:10:59,875
those substances, right? And this
is that it is a macabre story that
1294
01:11:00,958 --> 01:11:01,750
I read in
1295
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:06,500
in this text that I shared with
you from the Black Panthers, because,
1296
01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:12,250
I mean, these guys create the drugs,
put them in the communities and then
1297
01:11:12,625 --> 01:11:16,500
they prohibit them. And that is how
they have criminalized black
1298
01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:20,416
communities, the communities
of the neighborhoods, the Colombian
1299
01:11:20,416 --> 01:11:23,583
communities. We travel, anyway.
I mean, like uh?
1300
01:11:23,791 --> 01:11:27,291
I find the hypocritical role
of the United States brutal.
1301
01:11:27,291 --> 01:11:30,958
facing drugs, because they
1302
01:11:31,458 --> 01:11:34,333
own the market, right?
1303
01:11:34,333 --> 01:11:35,875
And at the same time they prohibit it.
1304
01:11:35,875 --> 01:11:37,875
And who. And they drive it.
1305
01:11:37,875 --> 01:11:40,875
The consequences in jail and with deaths
1306
01:11:41,333 --> 01:11:44,125
are us, not the people.
1307
01:11:44,125 --> 01:11:47,375
And to me it seems that we cannot lose,
uh,
1308
01:11:47,458 --> 01:11:51,833
attention to how those policies also of
the States,
1309
01:11:51,833 --> 01:11:55,375
even Mexico, being a country governed
by the left,
1310
01:11:55,375 --> 01:11:59,000
have an anti-drug policy, not military.
1311
01:11:59,375 --> 01:12:02,250
Strong military. There, I do, I do.
1312
01:12:02,250 --> 01:12:06,333
I think it's fair that the possibility
exists for projects
1313
01:12:06,666 --> 01:12:10,583
that accompany, that take care of people
who consume these substances
1314
01:12:10,916 --> 01:12:15,958
is super necessary, but precisely in
that clandestinity
1315
01:12:15,958 --> 01:12:20,875
facing drugs and that whole stigmatizing
narrative, huh?
1316
01:12:22,041 --> 01:12:24,125
Enables, right?
1317
01:12:24,125 --> 01:12:29,333
That precisely drugs are, uh, the device
1318
01:12:29,333 --> 01:12:33,708
by which these guys continue to get rich
and continue to kill,
1319
01:12:34,291 --> 01:12:37,291
they continue justifying racism.
1320
01:12:37,333 --> 01:12:39,041
That seems very strong to me.
1321
01:12:39,041 --> 01:12:41,375
Besides the drugs, uh?
1322
01:12:41,375 --> 01:12:44,833
Heroin and cocaine are born in contexts
of military warfare.
1323
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,083
That is, these, these chemicals are
developed as painkillers
1324
01:12:48,083 --> 01:12:52,041
for the pain of the wounds of the soldiers
who are wounded in war,
1325
01:12:52,250 --> 01:12:55,250
but also to increase aggressiveness,
tension and the.
1326
01:12:55,333 --> 01:12:58,333
In combat there is a movie called
1327
01:12:58,541 --> 01:13:01,666
Full Metal Jacket by Kubrick,
1328
01:13:01,916 --> 01:13:06,333
which shows the effects that veteran
soldiers of the Vietnam War
1329
01:13:07,041 --> 01:13:10,041
experience after because they were drugged
in that war
1330
01:13:10,041 --> 01:13:14,125
to make war and then, years later, they
are crazy, right?
1331
01:13:14,500 --> 01:13:16,458
And there is another Colombian movie
1332
01:13:16,458 --> 01:13:19,458
called Satanás, which is a novel by an
author from Bogotá,
1333
01:13:19,916 --> 01:13:22,833
uh, about a mercenary war veteran
1334
01:13:22,833 --> 01:13:28,208
who goes to Vietnam and he is also a man
distorted by that
1335
01:13:28,208 --> 01:13:29,750
that trauma of the war
1336
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:33,208
and one day he kills a lot of people in
a restaurant in Bogotá.
1337
01:13:33,375 --> 01:13:34,708
It's called the sketch.
1338
01:13:34,708 --> 01:13:38,458
That restaurant is on 7th and 58th if
you want to go.
1339
01:13:38,875 --> 01:13:39,833
But fair.
1340
01:13:39,833 --> 01:13:42,500
That is, it seems to me that this side is
perverse, right?
1341
01:13:42,500 --> 01:13:44,000
That there are people who.
1342
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,833
And in fact there is a scene in The
Godfather in I think in the first one
1343
01:13:48,041 --> 01:13:52,625
where the mobsters are discussing that,
where they are going to put the drug and
1344
01:13:52,958 --> 01:13:55,958
they say they have to put them in the
black community of Harlem of
1345
01:13:55,958 --> 01:13:58,916
I don't know what, because that movie
takes place in New York.
1346
01:13:58,916 --> 01:13:59,333
Anyway.
1347
01:13:59,333 --> 01:14:05,250
That is, it seems to me that, uh, all
this has to be accompanied by a policy
1348
01:14:05,250 --> 01:14:09,000
precisely not prohibitionist about drugs
1349
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,250
and that if you have to legalize
1350
01:14:10,250 --> 01:14:14,666
all drugs so that we can accompany people
1351
01:14:14,666 --> 01:14:17,833
who want to approach for entertainment,
curiosity
1352
01:14:18,041 --> 01:14:22,375
or out of pain or emotions, sadness,
depression, and so on.
1353
01:14:23,583 --> 01:14:26,583
Totally, yes, how strong is this!
1354
01:14:26,750 --> 01:14:27,625
I want to mention.
1355
01:14:27,625 --> 01:14:31,000
I also want to mention an
investigation by Isaías.
1356
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,791
Pablo Tolentino has an investigation
that is titled
1357
01:14:34,791 --> 01:14:39,916
X-ray of the prohibition and speaks,
uh, a little of what you were mentioning
1358
01:14:40,250 --> 01:14:44,000
like the policies and how
decisions are made.
1359
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,125
Also public policies, how decisions
are made and who makes them.
1360
01:14:47,541 --> 01:14:49,708
But in the specific case of Mexico,
right?
1361
01:14:49,708 --> 01:14:50,916
And how does this impact?
1362
01:14:50,916 --> 01:14:54,500
Well, in the policies of our country?
1363
01:14:55,083 --> 01:14:55,916
Super.
1364
01:14:55,916 --> 01:14:58,875
But now yes
1365
01:14:58,875 --> 01:15:01,250
a nice section is coming.
1366
01:15:01,250 --> 01:15:02,625
And it is.
1367
01:15:02,625 --> 01:15:05,958
Let's share our most humble moment,
the one we consider
1368
01:15:05,958 --> 01:15:10,625
our most humble moment in relation
to the consumption of some drug.
1369
01:15:11,541 --> 01:15:15,250
Start because I don't, while I get
inspired.
1370
01:15:15,250 --> 01:15:18,416
Yes, while I also think, while I think
of one because I don't have one.
1371
01:15:18,666 --> 01:15:19,875
Not today.
1372
01:15:19,875 --> 01:15:22,166
Because it's going to seem like I
came very prepared for this.
1373
01:15:24,083 --> 01:15:24,625
I think that.
1374
01:15:24,625 --> 01:15:27,625
The age I, like, oh, I haven't had
moments.
1375
01:15:27,666 --> 01:15:32,000
Thousands No, the truth is that more
than a moment, there are thousands, there
1376
01:15:33,333 --> 01:15:34,708
have been, well, like pálidas.
1377
01:15:34,708 --> 01:15:38,708
That I have been given with Uy, I
remembered 1,1
1378
01:15:39,250 --> 01:15:41,750
Oh, I don't know if I have,
1379
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:44,750
if I just remembered, huh?
1380
01:15:45,208 --> 01:15:46,791
Can you be a singer to refresh?
1381
01:15:46,791 --> 01:15:49,583
Ah, okay, I wasn't listening to
you there. Uh-huh.
1382
01:15:49,583 --> 01:15:50,875
If you want to start with that.
1383
01:15:50,875 --> 01:15:55,291
Here today, well, I don't know if
my soul has a moment.
1384
01:15:55,375 --> 01:15:55,958
If I already remembered.
1385
01:15:55,958 --> 01:16:00,083
If I have a humble moment that is a
strong moment, the truth.
1386
01:16:00,333 --> 01:16:03,333
And I feel that also happened due to
my irresponsibility.
1387
01:16:04,041 --> 01:16:08,750
And uh-huh, What happened was that we
went from well,
1388
01:16:09,041 --> 01:16:12,791
you know, at the school where I
studied it was very common the
1389
01:16:13,375 --> 01:16:19,000
the consumption of certain substances,
uh, among the students, right? From
1390
01:16:20,291 --> 01:16:20,958
of said.
1391
01:16:20,958 --> 01:16:22,708
Careers.
1392
01:16:22,708 --> 01:16:24,375
Anthropological of.
1393
01:16:24,375 --> 01:16:27,541
Anthropology was very common the
consumption of those substances.
1394
01:16:27,541 --> 01:16:31,500
Also, I had a boyfriend who well, he
went hard and nice into that.
1395
01:16:31,500 --> 01:16:33,583
He was Rastafarian and also. Dude.
1396
01:16:33,583 --> 01:16:35,000
His nickname is the most fried.
1397
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,000
Of my generation, El Hongo, dude.
1398
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,625
Imagine, it is linked with the uh-huh.
1399
01:16:39,625 --> 01:16:42,375
That is, you already knew that
something was not going so
1400
01:16:42,375 --> 01:16:43,791
this.
1401
01:16:43,791 --> 01:16:44,500
The point is that.
1402
01:16:44,500 --> 01:16:46,666
We went to a field practice, I don't know.
1403
01:16:46,666 --> 01:16:48,791
After returning from practice
1404
01:16:48,791 --> 01:16:52,916
we went to the beach to a beach that
I think is between in Guerrero,
1405
01:16:53,208 --> 01:16:56,708
uh, which is called like Casa de
Piedra Piedra, I don't know, something like that.
1406
01:16:57,333 --> 01:16:59,958
And I hadn't been to the sea for a long time.
1407
01:16:59,958 --> 01:17:02,250
So I said like, oh, I'm going to go
into the sea, I don't know what,
1408
01:17:02,250 --> 01:17:07,458
but this this boy started smoking,
I don't know what, and since there were several
1409
01:17:07,458 --> 01:17:11,708
of us hanging out there and so, well, it
seemed easy to me, right?
1410
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:12,250
Oh, well.
1411
01:17:12,250 --> 01:17:13,333
I'm going to I'm going to give it a try.
1412
01:17:13,333 --> 01:17:17,458
One puff or two puffs, I already smoked,
I don't know what, uh?
1413
01:17:18,750 --> 01:17:20,375
I was,
1414
01:17:20,375 --> 01:17:24,000
uh, I said like, oh, well, I'm going
to change to go into the sea. I went into the sea.
1415
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,375
Big mistake. I mean.
1416
01:17:25,375 --> 01:17:26,625
High to the to the.
1417
01:17:26,625 --> 01:17:29,125
Sea you have to have a lot of respect and more.
1418
01:17:29,125 --> 01:17:30,583
If it is the Pacific.
1419
01:17:30,583 --> 01:17:32,791
And I learned that that day.
1420
01:17:32,791 --> 01:17:35,458
So I didn't know there was groundswell.
1421
01:17:35,458 --> 01:17:38,458
I go, I get in, I don't know how to swim. I mean, I say.
1422
01:17:38,625 --> 01:17:40,583
I am that person who says yes.
1423
01:17:40,583 --> 01:17:46,041
To everything, but I don't know how to swim,
so I don't know how to swim.
1424
01:17:46,083 --> 01:17:51,291
I get into the sea as if nothing, besides
being in the sea swimming without knowing how
1425
01:17:52,083 --> 01:17:55,583
to swim, drugged, uh, high? And suddenly
the sea starts to take me away and.
1426
01:17:55,916 --> 01:17:57,916
And I couldn't go back.
1427
01:17:57,916 --> 01:18:00,708
Then, suddenly, I kind of say to this guy
who was with me like, hey, help me because
1428
01:18:00,708 --> 01:18:03,708
I can't go back anymore.
1429
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,083
And he says yes, I mean, but it was like
I don't think it was that bad.
1430
01:18:07,083 --> 01:18:07,833
I don't know
1431
01:18:09,083 --> 01:18:12,416
if. And then he goes and supposedly grabs
my arm and pulls me
1432
01:18:12,666 --> 01:18:15,500
and I manage to touch my my big toe
1433
01:18:15,500 --> 01:18:18,250
I could already touch the sand, but
he suddenly is like this and.
1434
01:18:18,250 --> 01:18:20,250
Now I can't get out and I don't know what.
1435
01:18:20,250 --> 01:18:24,416
And then I, wanting to save, well, I
couldn't step either.
1436
01:18:24,416 --> 01:18:27,500
And then another girl arrived who we
also started screaming
1437
01:18:27,500 --> 01:18:31,958
and wanting to help each other we were
all three in the same situation and.
1438
01:18:31,958 --> 01:18:32,750
It was so.
1439
01:18:32,750 --> 01:18:37,625
It was so hard, I mean, because it was
like the effect, uh, the situation of.
1440
01:18:37,625 --> 01:18:39,208
Risk in which he was.
1441
01:18:39,208 --> 01:18:42,833
That is, feeling the sea covering me
more and more and more and more and more
1442
01:18:43,916 --> 01:18:46,458
I without being able to get out a desperation.
1443
01:18:46,458 --> 01:18:50,416
I swear there was a moment when I
don't know if it was the trip,
1444
01:18:50,916 --> 01:18:55,125
the scare or the fact that I almost died,
but I swear, I mean.
1445
01:18:55,500 --> 01:18:58,500
I swear, did you see God? I didn't see God.
1446
01:18:58,500 --> 01:19:02,583
But there was a point where I said like
literally crying like this in the sea.
1447
01:19:02,583 --> 01:19:06,250
I don't, if it's my moment. Grandparents eh?
1448
01:19:06,291 --> 01:19:08,875
Ancestors who are up there. Up, receive me.
1449
01:19:08,875 --> 01:19:11,666
Receive me with much love and I only
ask that my
1450
01:19:11,666 --> 01:19:14,041
that is, that my family knows where my
body was left, that is.
1451
01:19:14,041 --> 01:19:15,041
To that extent.
1452
01:19:15,041 --> 01:19:18,625
Oh, I don't know. But why do you
think so then?
1453
01:19:18,625 --> 01:19:22,166
That the fact of having entered the
sea in that state.
1454
01:19:22,166 --> 01:19:24,833
Contributed to that.
1455
01:19:24,833 --> 01:19:26,250
Didn't measure the... Consequence?
1456
01:19:26,250 --> 01:19:28,541
I feel like it did contribute.
1457
01:19:28,541 --> 01:19:29,916
And well, me.
1458
01:19:29,916 --> 01:19:33,791
I think I even saw a vision that
later had a meaning.
1459
01:19:33,791 --> 01:19:36,791
What I'm getting at here is that I'm
that kind of person.
1460
01:19:36,958 --> 01:19:38,666
And well.
1461
01:19:38,666 --> 01:19:43,583
In the end we managed to get out,
because some people from the beach
1462
01:19:43,583 --> 01:19:48,833
threw some blocks at us, so we could
float and get out.
1463
01:19:48,833 --> 01:19:52,791
And I remember perfectly the image
of the three of us getting out like that
1464
01:19:52,791 --> 01:19:57,416
like "what just happened?"
sitting on the beach, like "damn".
1465
01:19:57,541 --> 01:20:00,041
No, no, no, no, no.
1466
01:20:00,041 --> 01:20:02,583
And well, I don't know, I think so.
1467
01:20:02,583 --> 01:20:05,166
It was my most humble moment being
1468
01:20:06,125 --> 01:20:09,125
with my senses altered.
1469
01:20:09,375 --> 01:20:11,958
Altered.
1470
01:20:11,958 --> 01:20:15,250
And well, I've had more, more trips
and stuff, but that's been the most.
1471
01:20:15,625 --> 01:20:17,875
It hit me the hardest.
1472
01:20:17,875 --> 01:20:23,166
It's that yes, like I manage to
connect with that sensation
1473
01:20:23,166 --> 01:20:27,625
like saying "well, yes, there is
already, well, already you're going
1474
01:20:28,708 --> 01:20:32,958
to pick me up, you already did,
please let them find me".
1475
01:20:33,208 --> 01:20:36,416
Because I have truly had many humble
moments,
1476
01:20:36,416 --> 01:20:40,250
from starting to smoke
1477
01:20:40,708 --> 01:20:44,458
saying that I smoked and in reality
it was my first time.
1478
01:20:45,416 --> 01:20:47,875
Very rich. Yes, I mean, I.
1479
01:20:47,875 --> 01:20:50,458
The most invented, huh?
1480
01:20:50,458 --> 01:20:53,458
But one of my most...
1481
01:20:53,458 --> 01:20:55,791
Oh, I don't know if you want to call
it humble.
1482
01:20:55,791 --> 01:20:58,500
I mean, it's like a moment.
1483
01:20:58,500 --> 01:21:02,125
I was going to say gothic, but it's
not the word I'm looking for.
1484
01:21:02,125 --> 01:21:04,583
Gothic.
1485
01:21:04,583 --> 01:21:07,333
My gothic moment, like my most...
1486
01:21:07,333 --> 01:21:10,416
I like that trend here, to make one.
1487
01:21:10,458 --> 01:21:12,041
My most gothic moment.
1488
01:21:13,375 --> 01:21:14,250
Dalia de la Cerda.
1489
01:21:14,250 --> 01:21:15,791
Maybe she would go for it because she.
1490
01:21:15,791 --> 01:21:18,791
She's from that culture. Aha. Aha.
1491
01:21:18,875 --> 01:21:19,916
This.
1492
01:21:19,916 --> 01:21:22,916
Well, not my most... disturbing.
1493
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:23,750
Disturbing?
1494
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:25,583
I don't know, it was a very strange
feeling.
1495
01:21:25,583 --> 01:21:30,083
It's that, uh, I went through a
moment in which I consumed a lot
1496
01:21:30,416 --> 01:21:34,708
of marijuana and then I used like
eye drops so that.
1497
01:21:34,708 --> 01:21:35,291
Not see.
1498
01:21:35,291 --> 01:21:36,750
So they don't look red. No.
1499
01:21:36,750 --> 01:21:38,291
It is. It is. It is a.
1500
01:21:38,291 --> 01:21:41,000
A little trick, I would say, a
common little trick.
1501
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,500
I think trick true.
1502
01:21:43,500 --> 01:21:44,250
Save them.
1503
01:21:44,250 --> 01:21:47,250
Auras and. Huh,
1504
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:50,750
well, it's like I remember perfectly
1505
01:21:51,625 --> 01:21:55,041
that it was a difficult moment in my
life, a vulnerable moment,
1506
01:21:56,083 --> 01:21:59,916
But I was already consuming in a
1507
01:21:59,916 --> 01:22:03,750
very uncontrolled way
and to kind of cover it up, huh?
1508
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:05,416
Well, I put drops in, right?
1509
01:22:05,416 --> 01:22:07,500
And then
1510
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:09,625
one day in the morning
I was going to go to work.
1511
01:22:09,625 --> 01:22:13,000
I mean, by this point I had already
smoked, well, in the morning it wasn't
1512
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,416
one of the first things I did
and I was going to go to work.
1513
01:22:16,416 --> 01:22:20,625
At that moment I was working in an
institution at the Museum of Anthropology
1514
01:22:21,208 --> 01:22:24,166
and uh, I was leaving
1515
01:22:24,166 --> 01:22:28,375
and I was going to put on my boots like,
you know, so you get rid of it.
1516
01:22:28,375 --> 01:22:29,333
Don't make it noticeable, for.
1517
01:22:29,333 --> 01:22:32,000
That the what they call doesn't show.
1518
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,166
The gafa and the gafa.
1519
01:22:35,166 --> 01:22:36,875
I knew that one. Term, right?
1520
01:22:36,875 --> 01:22:39,291
That after this profession.
1521
01:22:39,291 --> 01:22:41,833
We have finished. Taking out the
Pacheco dictionary. Huh?
1522
01:22:42,916 --> 01:22:45,750
Pacheco. Huh?
1523
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:49,375
And then I grab the bottle of drops
and put it on like this.
1524
01:22:49,833 --> 01:22:52,833
And when the little drop is about
to fall on me
1525
01:22:53,250 --> 01:22:56,958
I realize it was the crazy glue
bottle. No.
1526
01:22:57,458 --> 01:23:01,416
No. The crazy glue bottle
wasn't the drops.
1527
01:23:01,500 --> 01:23:02,916
I mean,
1528
01:23:02,916 --> 01:23:05,916
no? I mean,
I don't know how to describe that moment.
1529
01:23:06,250 --> 01:23:07,791
I don't know.
1530
01:23:07,791 --> 01:23:10,041
I don't know how to describe that moment.
1531
01:23:10,041 --> 01:23:11,916
I mean, the drop didn't fall on me.
1532
01:23:11,916 --> 01:23:14,666
I mean, it was miraculous. That's how
it was.
1533
01:23:14,666 --> 01:23:17,291
It was within your expanded senses
like.
1534
01:23:17,291 --> 01:23:18,916
The. Exactly, exactly.
1535
01:23:18,916 --> 01:23:22,791
I mean, it was like I saw everything
very slow and at the same time very fast.
1536
01:23:22,791 --> 01:23:26,208
The drop like,
about to detach from the bottle. Yes.
1537
01:23:26,250 --> 01:23:27,583
Just and after.
1538
01:23:27,583 --> 01:23:28,708
And no, it didn't fall on me anymore.
1539
01:23:28,708 --> 01:23:30,458
I mean, it didn't fall in my eye.
1540
01:23:30,458 --> 01:23:33,458
But what I'm getting at is that
1541
01:23:34,166 --> 01:23:36,625
many of our humble moments
1542
01:23:36,625 --> 01:23:40,833
could have been accompanied
in a different way, you know?
1543
01:23:41,250 --> 01:23:44,541
I mean, like, I don't know, I don't
know. I.
1544
01:23:44,666 --> 01:23:48,416
I'm more of the type of person
who puts crazy glue drops in their eyes,
1545
01:23:48,416 --> 01:23:51,208
but that's another story.
That's another moment.
1546
01:23:51,208 --> 01:23:53,166
I wasn't like that.
1547
01:23:53,166 --> 01:23:54,291
I think you did tell us.
1548
01:23:54,291 --> 01:23:57,791
I remember now that I'm remembering.
1549
01:23:57,958 --> 01:23:59,750
I think I have two humble moments.
1550
01:23:59,750 --> 01:24:04,458
One is the first time I got Pacheco,
which was with some cookies
1551
01:24:05,416 --> 01:24:07,083
that gave me the same feeling.
1552
01:24:07,083 --> 01:24:10,208
One day leaving the ENA on a Friday,
huh?
1553
01:24:11,083 --> 01:24:14,000
The marimba existed, that is.
1554
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,833
Context for those who don't know.
1555
01:24:15,833 --> 01:24:20,208
The ENA's marimba was a recreation
place that was
1556
01:24:20,750 --> 01:24:23,958
well, it was kind of in a back part
of the, well,
1557
01:24:24,166 --> 01:24:29,125
it was super famous and people from
all the faculties came there,
1558
01:24:29,458 --> 01:24:31,375
but then they closed it because they
were going to make,
1559
01:24:31,375 --> 01:24:33,958
they made a new research building
that they don't even.
1560
01:24:33,958 --> 01:24:34,583
Occupy.
1561
01:24:34,583 --> 01:24:37,416
And now they do it at the Pino, as
it's called.
1562
01:24:37,416 --> 01:24:40,416
Now yes, but now that space is closed
too. Of.
1563
01:24:40,875 --> 01:24:45,166
Well, I'm talking about the marimba,
I mean, I'm old generation, I got to.
1564
01:24:45,166 --> 01:24:46,458
Still makes.
1565
01:24:46,458 --> 01:24:47,000
From before.
1566
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,541
Christ, but before before the marimba.
1567
01:24:51,208 --> 01:24:54,333
And so we were leaving the marimba,
we had already
1568
01:24:54,625 --> 01:24:59,000
well, had drunk quite a bit of alcohol
and I was very hungry,
1569
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:04,083
but we were already on the Metrobús and
so I tell one of my companions
1570
01:25:04,083 --> 01:25:07,916
we were like three or four companions
and I tell them I'm hungry.
1571
01:25:08,375 --> 01:25:10,708
And she tells me have a cookie.
1572
01:25:10,708 --> 01:25:11,875
And I there if after
1573
01:25:12,875 --> 01:25:13,958
and. It tastes.
1574
01:25:13,958 --> 01:25:17,333
Like matcha, like tea.
1575
01:25:17,333 --> 01:25:20,291
Green, it tastes different to me and I
say, oh, what's in it?
1576
01:25:20,291 --> 01:25:23,000
And they were cracking up with laughter
1577
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:28,000
and I had eaten marijuana and I arrived
and well, at the beginning I didn't feel.
1578
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:28,791
I arrived at my house.
1579
01:25:28,791 --> 01:25:31,375
I lived near the sunken park.
1580
01:25:31,375 --> 01:25:32,916
And this.
1581
01:25:32,916 --> 01:25:36,916
I arrived and felt like an hour after
the cookie, like.
1582
01:25:37,208 --> 01:25:42,666
A. I felt like, like leaving the world
and coming back and I remember that. It was.
1583
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,333
One of the best highs of my life,
1584
01:25:45,333 --> 01:25:49,166
because in that house where I lived
there was a painting by José Clemente.
1585
01:25:49,166 --> 01:25:51,583
Gorosito, like and I or I.
1586
01:25:51,583 --> 01:25:53,833
I discovered cubism that day.
1587
01:25:53,833 --> 01:25:55,500
Mexican.
1588
01:25:55,500 --> 01:25:56,250
Well, I.
1589
01:25:56,250 --> 01:25:58,916
I was super seeing that painting
1590
01:25:58,916 --> 01:26:01,625
and I began to discover all the forms
1591
01:26:01,625 --> 01:26:05,291
and all the colors, and like the
context in which,
1592
01:26:05,291 --> 01:26:09,416
I mean the painting was talking to me
and I said like wow, and that later
1593
01:26:09,416 --> 01:26:14,166
that I consumed a little more marijuana
in the following years like it's something
1594
01:26:14,166 --> 01:26:19,916
that I liked to do like uh, get high
and watch movies, right?
1595
01:26:19,916 --> 01:26:22,041
And so that's how oh, what photography.
1596
01:26:22,041 --> 01:26:24,500
Like the images, I was very focused.
1597
01:26:24,500 --> 01:26:27,708
That's my first moment of pardon and
the second is that also
1598
01:26:27,708 --> 01:26:30,958
once I crossed I was super drunk
1599
01:26:31,916 --> 01:26:34,041
and they had given me
1600
01:26:34,041 --> 01:26:38,291
a very light pink alcohol, huh?
1601
01:26:38,375 --> 01:26:39,291
I don't know what it was.
1602
01:26:39,291 --> 01:26:42,625
Someone had brought it from somewhere
that was like super special
1603
01:26:43,166 --> 01:26:46,625
and I smoked marijuana and got crossed
1604
01:26:46,625 --> 01:26:51,000
and I fainted at the party
and hit my head. Right?
1605
01:26:51,416 --> 01:26:55,500
And the next day I had
a lump here on my head.
1606
01:26:55,500 --> 01:26:59,291
And at that time
I was with the unnamed one and all scared
1607
01:27:00,041 --> 01:27:03,166
with the substance and everyone believed
that he had hit me.
1608
01:27:04,333 --> 01:27:06,125
But I had really fainted.
1609
01:27:06,125 --> 01:27:08,291
I had hit my head and there was a
1610
01:27:08,291 --> 01:27:11,291
at the party that was the birthday
of one of my friends.
1611
01:27:12,166 --> 01:27:14,875
There's a doctor,
a doctor named Ramón.
1612
01:27:14,875 --> 01:27:16,916
I won't forget Ramón. The doctor.
1613
01:27:16,916 --> 01:27:20,666
Doctor Ramón checked me at that moment
and they kind of picked me all up.
1614
01:27:20,708 --> 01:27:22,500
Just like with your fingers.
1615
01:27:22,500 --> 01:27:25,125
You see here, what's your name,
how old are you?
1616
01:27:25,125 --> 01:27:28,791
And like those questions they usually ask
to see if you lost,
1617
01:27:29,416 --> 01:27:31,916
if you had a neurological damage or
something like that and well and if you
1618
01:27:31,916 --> 01:27:34,958
can answer everything.
1619
01:27:34,958 --> 01:27:38,750
But I had a lump here and of course,
everyone the next day
1620
01:27:38,750 --> 01:27:40,416
I was at the university.
1621
01:27:40,416 --> 01:27:43,958
In fact, that day, the
next day my dad also arrived, right?
1622
01:27:43,958 --> 01:27:45,750
And everyone thought he had hit me.
1623
01:27:45,750 --> 01:27:48,458
Yes. It's not that I slipped. In the
shower.
1624
01:27:48,458 --> 01:27:52,375
But I was ashamed to say that well,
obviously my dad didn't like it.
1625
01:27:52,375 --> 01:27:55,125
I said like oh,
it's that I smoked marijuana and drank.
1626
01:27:55,125 --> 01:27:56,125
Yes, of course, he didn't like it.
1627
01:27:56,125 --> 01:27:59,625
I said that, but it was also
well yes, just very irresponsible
1628
01:27:59,625 --> 01:28:03,875
on my part,
because I was already drunk and smoked. And
1629
01:28:05,375 --> 01:28:07,291
yes. You know what I'm thinking
1630
01:28:07,291 --> 01:28:12,125
that also, uh,
the access we have to drugs.
1631
01:28:12,125 --> 01:28:15,416
I mean, I remember that in high school,
1632
01:28:15,416 --> 01:28:18,875
even equally in middle school I already
had
1633
01:28:18,875 --> 01:28:21,875
classmates who smoked
1634
01:28:22,166 --> 01:28:25,250
or at least that
or that they smoked marijuana
1635
01:28:25,416 --> 01:28:29,666
or that at least they said they smoked
not equal and like me they were there
1636
01:28:29,666 --> 01:28:31,666
fooling around.
1637
01:28:31,666 --> 01:28:36,625
Like that. That today I am.
The biggest smoker and I don't know
1638
01:28:36,625 --> 01:28:41,583
what about marijuana and no, who knows,
but I mean, if you think about high
1639
01:28:41,583 --> 01:28:44,875
school and university, which are spaces
in which you can easily access
1640
01:28:45,083 --> 01:28:48,750
like some drugs and no, I mean, like
1641
01:28:49,875 --> 01:28:54,250
I would like to think about it further,
like it's okay or bad to consume them,
1642
01:28:54,250 --> 01:28:55,583
but that
1643
01:28:55,583 --> 01:28:57,916
I feel that talking
1644
01:28:57,916 --> 01:29:03,041
like from the information and with evidence
and with experimentation
1645
01:29:03,041 --> 01:29:04,791
and with a lot of things, precisely
1646
01:29:04,791 --> 01:29:09,291
can reduce the damages
and the risks of that consumption.
1647
01:29:09,791 --> 01:29:10,083
And of.
1648
01:29:10,083 --> 01:29:10,833
Addiction.
1649
01:29:10,833 --> 01:29:13,833
And I agree with you that.
1650
01:29:14,416 --> 01:29:16,166
I mean, because I also remember that,
1651
01:29:17,625 --> 01:29:20,125
and a little
I mentioned it at the beginning
1652
01:29:20,125 --> 01:29:25,541
like my approach to drugs, I think it
was also a little,
1653
01:29:25,541 --> 01:29:28,708
I mean, what drugs
I managed to have more
1654
01:29:28,708 --> 01:29:33,291
access or greater ease
of them being there.
1655
01:29:33,958 --> 01:29:38,916
Did it also depend on the context in
which I lived, still live, right?
1656
01:29:38,958 --> 01:29:39,958
That is, of
1657
01:29:39,958 --> 01:29:42,416
because for example, in elementary
school, even in elementary school,
1658
01:29:42,416 --> 01:29:45,375
I mean in elementary school, I remember
that in the neighborhood it was normal
1659
01:29:45,375 --> 01:29:50,250
to see people inhaling solvents, like
the famous Mona, right?
1660
01:29:50,250 --> 01:29:53,916
That I saw people like that all the
time and so on.
1661
01:29:54,041 --> 01:29:59,666
And even now that I think about it, in
retrospect, it was a little dangerous,
1662
01:29:59,666 --> 01:30:03,166
because even we as children playing
and in the fairs
1663
01:30:03,250 --> 01:30:07,000
of the elementary school or so we were
like with our hand here and dancing,
1664
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:10,041
because before I remember that it was
used to dance like reggaeton,
1665
01:30:10,041 --> 01:30:12,625
like dancing, like jumping, which was
like a mix between.
1666
01:30:12,625 --> 01:30:15,625
Like dancehall and aha aha.
1667
01:30:15,833 --> 01:30:19,041
And I remember a lot that I used, that
we used like, oh,
1668
01:30:19,041 --> 01:30:20,458
if we are going to put our hand here
1669
01:30:20,458 --> 01:30:24,416
to simulate that we are at a party
doing drugs, right?
1670
01:30:24,708 --> 01:30:26,083
And dancing, right?
1671
01:30:26,083 --> 01:30:29,833
And as I grew up it was like a different
offer of drugs.
1672
01:30:29,833 --> 01:30:32,791
No, but it was always like marijuana.
1673
01:30:32,791 --> 01:30:35,375
Not very often cocaine.
1674
01:30:35,375 --> 01:30:38,375
I mean, very, very, almost.
1675
01:30:38,625 --> 01:30:42,125
I think very few times I had
an approach to that until now,
1676
01:30:42,125 --> 01:30:45,125
that I just traveled and to another
country and I
1677
01:30:46,333 --> 01:30:46,791
No no.
1678
01:30:46,791 --> 01:30:48,000
No, but they did offer it to me and I
1679
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,083
had never had it happen to me
to be in a place where literally
1680
01:30:51,083 --> 01:30:54,625
they offered me like, hey, do you
want coke or something like that?
1681
01:30:55,041 --> 01:30:56,916
And that was also.
1682
01:30:56,916 --> 01:30:59,916
Well yes, it made me
like reflect on some things about
1683
01:31:00,208 --> 01:31:05,041
about also like this access or these
things of
1684
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:09,625
what substances are
and access to them are different
1685
01:31:09,625 --> 01:31:12,666
depending on like this context
And also, of course, I mean, if we have
1686
01:31:13,041 --> 01:31:16,333
I think the information
to approach them,
1687
01:31:16,625 --> 01:31:22,458
to allow us to explore them beyond
the prohibition, but feeding
1688
01:31:22,458 --> 01:31:27,583
like this curious process would perhaps
be like completely different stories.
1689
01:31:28,125 --> 01:31:32,208
Totally, right? And also I am also
remembering a tweet
1690
01:31:32,208 --> 01:31:37,375
that I made a thousand years ago, that
went viral and I got a lot of people
1691
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:40,916
because on Twitter too
1692
01:31:40,916 --> 01:31:45,000
like a screenshot of an old
1693
01:31:45,958 --> 01:31:48,625
woman that was from some European
1694
01:31:48,625 --> 01:31:52,000
country or the United States that had
published on Tinder.
1695
01:31:52,708 --> 01:31:56,666
Eh, she was exactly in Colombia, I
think she was in like in Medellín,
1696
01:31:57,083 --> 01:32:00,416
looking for drugs and she published it
1697
01:32:00,750 --> 01:32:05,166
in that way like Hello I am from such
country, my name is such and I am.
1698
01:32:05,166 --> 01:32:05,833
Looking for.
1699
01:32:05,833 --> 01:32:08,833
My name is Karen and I have
1700
01:32:08,958 --> 01:32:13,250
I don't know how old I am and I am
looking for this type of tourism
1701
01:32:13,541 --> 01:32:17,708
and I'm currently in Medellin
and I remember I wrote something
1702
01:32:18,875 --> 01:32:20,666
that said something like
1703
01:32:20,666 --> 01:32:25,250
well, that that was the privilege
of race and class, that is, traveling
1704
01:32:25,625 --> 01:32:28,916
to a country in the global south
openly looking for
1705
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,416
drugs
and that your consumption is not criminalized.
1706
01:32:33,750 --> 01:32:38,750
And meanwhile, when we
cross that border to the global north,
1707
01:32:38,791 --> 01:32:41,791
our bodies are already
suspicious
1708
01:32:42,083 --> 01:32:45,083
not only of consuming, but of hunting.
1709
01:32:45,416 --> 01:32:48,666
So that seems very strong to me,
because really, uh,
1710
01:32:48,750 --> 01:32:51,750
I commented off the air that
1711
01:32:51,750 --> 01:32:55,333
that my worst
experiences with racism
1712
01:32:56,666 --> 01:33:00,208
uh have been at airports where uh
1713
01:33:00,666 --> 01:33:06,583
my suitcases have been taken
to a special space to be checked.
1714
01:33:06,958 --> 01:33:10,541
Here in Mexico you arrive,
I remember the first time I arrived
1715
01:33:10,541 --> 01:33:14,583
and you touch a button and it just came
out red and then this
1716
01:33:14,958 --> 01:33:19,250
they check everything like
as if you really brought something.
1717
01:33:19,250 --> 01:33:23,708
I remember that in the time
I traveled, uh of my first trip,
1718
01:33:23,708 --> 01:33:27,500
well, international was in fashion
at airports in Colombia
1719
01:33:27,500 --> 01:33:28,916
to wrap suitcases with.
1720
01:33:28,916 --> 01:33:30,375
The plastic to.
1721
01:33:30,375 --> 01:33:32,458
So they wouldn't open it and put things in.
1722
01:33:32,458 --> 01:33:35,291
Exactly, because those things have happened,
right?
1723
01:33:35,291 --> 01:33:38,291
I mean, they put, uh, drugs in the airports
1724
01:33:38,708 --> 01:33:42,708
and that seems so, so, so today, so.
1725
01:33:42,708 --> 01:33:47,541
It makes me so angry because, I mean,
while certain subjects are checked
1726
01:33:47,708 --> 01:33:52,625
at airports in undignified ways,
where they check, they even smell underwear.
1727
01:33:52,916 --> 01:33:56,875
My mom once
was wearing some necklaces like the one you
1728
01:33:56,875 --> 01:34:00,583
are wearing
and they checked each nugget of each
1729
01:34:00,916 --> 01:34:03,791
of each item and I said It's like wow!
1730
01:34:03,791 --> 01:34:07,000
I mean, I can't believe that really, uh?
1731
01:34:07,041 --> 01:34:11,125
I mean, I don't know like, like that
that detail when.
1732
01:34:11,875 --> 01:34:14,458
I mean, the drug passes
1733
01:34:14,458 --> 01:34:17,625
and they know where it passes
and when it passes, right?
1734
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,916
And the fact that yes, that?
1735
01:34:21,916 --> 01:34:24,083
Like it's a distraction.
1736
01:34:24,083 --> 01:34:25,625
And that pressure and that.
1737
01:34:25,625 --> 01:34:30,375
That, that that stress, that anguish
falls on us.
1738
01:34:30,583 --> 01:34:31,791
But.
1739
01:34:31,791 --> 01:34:34,375
But they know when it passes
and receive money
1740
01:34:34,375 --> 01:34:39,125
so that those distribution channels
are free, right?
1741
01:34:39,416 --> 01:34:42,583
So that really
makes me so angry.
1742
01:34:42,583 --> 01:34:45,708
I mean, it
it really outrages me because of course, this
1743
01:34:45,708 --> 01:34:49,458
wouldn't happen
if drugs weren't clandestine,
1744
01:34:49,458 --> 01:34:54,666
not if we spoke openly
and if governments and states accepted
1745
01:34:55,250 --> 01:34:59,833
or put aside all those
prohibitionist policies, of course.
1746
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,375
Prohibitionist and based
on morality, also
1747
01:35:03,541 --> 01:35:07,625
of consuming is good or bad,
it makes you a good or bad person.
1748
01:35:07,625 --> 01:35:12,125
And of not complicating,
well, in a more profound way, right?
1749
01:35:12,208 --> 01:35:15,791
And that it also has to do
with public policies, right?
1750
01:35:15,791 --> 01:35:19,750
And the way it is regulated
and what we talked about in the first
1751
01:35:19,750 --> 01:35:23,958
pharmaceuticals section, and a lot
of things come into play,
1752
01:35:24,166 --> 01:35:28,791
that I feel is like a topic.
1753
01:35:28,791 --> 01:35:32,375
Oh, I don't know, so broad. Yes.
Too broad.
1754
01:35:32,375 --> 01:35:36,583
Even right now I'm thinking,
listening to her, it's in
1755
01:35:38,041 --> 01:35:41,041
I don't know how to make this
relationship between
1756
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:44,250
how to regulate
1757
01:35:44,250 --> 01:35:48,375
the way we also enjoy, because
consuming substances,
1758
01:35:48,375 --> 01:35:53,166
not only talking about psychotropic
or psychoactive substances,
1759
01:35:53,500 --> 01:35:56,833
but also substances like alcohol,
like sugar,
1760
01:35:56,833 --> 01:36:00,666
like other substances that have been
labeled as bad in quotes,
1761
01:36:00,666 --> 01:36:03,833
don't give us a certain kind of
pleasure.
1762
01:36:04,333 --> 01:36:06,500
And many times.
1763
01:36:06,500 --> 01:36:10,625
I mean, I want to make this analogy
and I don't know if it's the best
1764
01:36:10,625 --> 01:36:15,000
analogy and I don't know if they're
going to judge me for making this
1765
01:36:15,791 --> 01:36:18,208
analogy, but with sex and uh.
1766
01:36:18,208 --> 01:36:21,208
And like the use of substances to
feel,
1767
01:36:21,375 --> 01:36:25,166
to enjoy, I don't know, like the
relationship with pleasure, right?
1768
01:36:25,541 --> 01:36:29,625
And like also, uh, the fact of
giving yourself,
1769
01:36:29,625 --> 01:36:34,166
giving yourself a chance to feel
pleasure is suddenly so forbidden.
1770
01:36:34,166 --> 01:36:35,458
And within that prohibition
1771
01:36:35,458 --> 01:36:39,416
comes the use of substances that
can generate for you.
1772
01:36:39,833 --> 01:36:43,958
A. Feeling, a greater enjoyment
when you go to a concert
1773
01:36:43,958 --> 01:36:47,083
or when you see a work of art to
watch a movie, to
1774
01:36:47,625 --> 01:36:51,208
to see certain types of things. And.
1775
01:36:51,875 --> 01:36:53,708
And like, uh-huh.
1776
01:36:53,708 --> 01:36:58,041
I don't know, there is, but I
don't know, right?
1777
01:36:58,041 --> 01:37:01,708
But for me, the problem with drugs,
which is a bit what
1778
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,125
we were also talking about, I think
off camera is.
1779
01:37:05,583 --> 01:37:08,333
I mean, what I'm understanding
is also a very new topic
1780
01:37:08,333 --> 01:37:10,250
that is also a very new topic
1781
01:37:10,250 --> 01:37:14,458
and now that we're starting to
research it and delve a bit more,
1782
01:37:15,208 --> 01:37:18,208
I was telling them that I felt it
was like the piece of the puzzle
1783
01:37:18,208 --> 01:37:23,041
that I felt was missing, because,
uh, let's see.
1784
01:37:23,041 --> 01:37:26,791
I mean, I feel that the fact that
all peoples in the world,
1785
01:37:27,166 --> 01:37:31,458
uh, that all cultures in history,
in geography
1786
01:37:31,791 --> 01:37:35,166
have consumed substances to create
1787
01:37:35,416 --> 01:37:40,000
art, uh in a religious, ritual way
to connect with. Uh.
1788
01:37:40,458 --> 01:37:42,250
Other realities.
1789
01:37:42,250 --> 01:37:45,791
Recreational dimension,
Recreational to have a good time.
1790
01:37:45,791 --> 01:37:49,583
If when there's a party, I don't
know, this for medicine,
1791
01:37:49,583 --> 01:37:54,000
to heal, to prevent, to soothe
pains, etc. Even.
1792
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,583
In a spiritual way as well.
Totally.
1793
01:37:56,583 --> 01:38:01,458
I mean, the meaning that these
substances have had throughout
1794
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,000
history. Uh, uh uh uh uh, uh.
1795
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:08,708
The human groups with with with
these substances, uh,
1796
01:38:08,791 --> 01:38:14,375
has been like this super diverse
way and not criminalized and not
1797
01:38:14,875 --> 01:38:19,666
addictive. But then, when they
start to prohibit it and when the
1798
01:38:20,333 --> 01:38:23,375
gringos come in. Uh? To modify all
these plants
1799
01:38:23,708 --> 01:38:28,625
in the laboratories, that's when
it becomes a public health problem,
1800
01:38:29,166 --> 01:38:31,833
Of course. I mean, and when they
start
1801
01:38:31,833 --> 01:38:34,833
Furthermore, to commercialize it.
1802
01:38:34,958 --> 01:38:39,291
No, it's no longer the medicine that
cures you, that entertains you, but it's
1803
01:38:39,625 --> 01:38:42,833
a commodity with which they enrich
themselves.
1804
01:38:43,125 --> 01:38:47,958
It is not a commodity with which they
also or that they also use as a weapon
1805
01:38:48,625 --> 01:38:52,708
I was telling them, not as they say,
the Panthers,
1806
01:38:52,708 --> 01:38:55,708
the Black Panthers party was dismantled
1807
01:38:55,833 --> 01:38:59,291
from the moment they introduced drugs
into the party
1808
01:38:59,291 --> 01:39:03,625
and that many of the party members
were accused of trafficking
1809
01:39:03,625 --> 01:39:06,833
and a lot of things and many of them
ended up in jail.
1810
01:39:07,166 --> 01:39:11,875
This like this person who writes this
text that I was telling you about, he
1811
01:39:12,125 --> 01:39:13,541
is imprisoned, right?
1812
01:39:13,541 --> 01:39:18,958
And then he goes into exile in in in
an African country, in Zambia, I think.
1813
01:39:19,333 --> 01:39:24,750
So when does it acquire this this value
within this capitalist system
1814
01:39:24,750 --> 01:39:28,875
in the market, no longer as, as, as
this
1815
01:39:28,875 --> 01:39:32,333
use that many people still give
to these substances,
1816
01:39:32,666 --> 01:39:36,500
not when it becomes a commodity that
has value, huh?
1817
01:39:36,583 --> 01:39:41,458
And also that it is present in both
markets, as in the official market,
1818
01:39:41,875 --> 01:39:45,958
with the pharmaceutical companies and
in the market, what they call black, in
1819
01:39:45,958 --> 01:39:49,916
quotes black, because this word, uh,
we don't like it, because it's like in
1820
01:39:49,916 --> 01:39:52,958
the clandestine, in what is fair, like
that ambivalence
1821
01:39:52,958 --> 01:39:56,541
that it is legal, illegal and keeping
it in that state of prohibition
1822
01:39:56,791 --> 01:40:01,625
is what makes us relate to it in such
a problematic way.
1823
01:40:01,625 --> 01:40:07,583
Yes, total, if keeping it in a state
of prohibition and not
1824
01:40:08,666 --> 01:40:11,333
of prohibition and abstinence as well.
1825
01:40:11,333 --> 01:40:14,750
That is, it is clear that the only
1826
01:40:14,750 --> 01:40:18,833
relationship that is shown with drugs
is that you have to abstain, right?
1827
01:40:18,833 --> 01:40:21,083
And then, outside of that experience
1828
01:40:21,083 --> 01:40:24,708
there is no information to support
another type of relationship.
1829
01:40:24,958 --> 01:40:27,958
Either you abstain or you are in perdition
1830
01:40:28,041 --> 01:40:31,250
and there is a wide spectrum in all of
those.
1831
01:40:31,250 --> 01:40:34,250
I am very excited to go to Bogotá.
1832
01:40:34,375 --> 01:40:38,500
You saw before me of this moment what
will happen in.
1833
01:40:39,375 --> 01:40:41,708
In. Bogota. A leap in.
1834
01:40:41,708 --> 01:40:43,000
A great leap in time.
1835
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:45,041
Yes, I feel totally like that, I love it.
1836
01:40:45,041 --> 01:40:48,375
I want to know what, what, what new
things you bring
1837
01:40:48,625 --> 01:40:51,541
and what new information you share
with us.
1838
01:40:51,541 --> 01:40:52,708
And also.
1839
01:40:52,708 --> 01:40:57,000
That is, I just wanted to quickly
comment on this commercialization
1840
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:00,625
that Balu was talking about, because
I already commented on it a bit in the
1841
01:41:00,625 --> 01:41:04,541
previous section about this series that
I told you about, uh,
1842
01:41:04,958 --> 01:41:06,125
the opioid crisis,
1843
01:41:06,125 --> 01:41:09,458
the addiction to opioids, which was
started by a pharmaceutical company
1844
01:41:09,458 --> 01:41:14,583
that was only looking to sell more, uh,
medication to control pain.
1845
01:41:15,166 --> 01:41:17,625
And that went away.
1846
01:41:17,625 --> 01:41:20,458
That is, it was a product that they
wanted to commercialize to such an
1847
01:41:20,458 --> 01:41:24,416
extent that it began to create a crisis
of people
1848
01:41:24,416 --> 01:41:28,500
who were increasingly becoming more
and more and more addicted to the
1849
01:41:28,708 --> 01:41:32,416
substance and therefore they were going
to sell more and more and more and more
1850
01:41:32,833 --> 01:41:36,916
and more. And another thing I remembered
that I honestly don't remember where,
where I read it
1851
01:41:36,916 --> 01:41:39,916
I think it was like in one of those
Instagram posts, like,
1852
01:41:40,458 --> 01:41:44,875
like people suddenly post, repost and
repost, that said something
1853
01:41:44,875 --> 01:41:49,541
like a true punk doesn't use drugs, right?
1854
01:41:49,583 --> 01:41:54,791
Right under this idea that drugs have
also been
1855
01:41:55,500 --> 01:41:58,500
a tool of the State and power
1856
01:41:58,583 --> 01:42:02,250
to fragment and dismantle movements.
1857
01:42:02,458 --> 01:42:03,458
Yes, I I believe.
1858
01:42:03,458 --> 01:42:06,500
Faced with that, I think it's always
important to ask ourselves
1859
01:42:06,500 --> 01:42:09,500
why we consume what we consume.
1860
01:42:09,708 --> 01:42:12,958
Because also these days, well, these
months
1861
01:42:12,958 --> 01:42:15,166
I saw a video that Aranza made.
1862
01:42:15,166 --> 01:42:17,583
It's for my homework, for badly dressed.
1863
01:42:17,583 --> 01:42:18,625
Greetings to her.
1864
01:42:18,625 --> 01:42:21,625
A kiss friend. Love to.
1865
01:42:22,916 --> 01:42:24,875
Me what? Ah!
1866
01:42:24,875 --> 01:42:27,041
And then this.
1867
01:42:27,041 --> 01:42:30,041
She was talking about how in this video
1868
01:42:30,500 --> 01:42:33,250
that I loved, I found it super cute,
1869
01:42:33,250 --> 01:42:37,458
like how the cigarette companies
1870
01:42:37,791 --> 01:42:41,041
put flavors in cigarettes so that uh?
1871
01:42:42,375 --> 01:42:44,541
The girls, not teenagers
1872
01:42:44,541 --> 01:42:48,625
like they connect in a way closer
and closer.
1873
01:42:48,625 --> 01:42:49,750
Or that it is more attractive.
1874
01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:51,208
More attractive to them.
1875
01:42:51,208 --> 01:42:52,500
So uh?
1876
01:42:52,500 --> 01:42:57,625
And like all those things, everything
we consume,
1877
01:42:57,625 --> 01:43:01,458
I mean, we don't consume it because oh,
I wanted it, of course, and because I like it.
1878
01:43:01,500 --> 01:43:05,291
I mean, yes, of course, I like it, but
I mean, there is always a mind.
1879
01:43:05,291 --> 01:43:05,833
Behind.
1880
01:43:05,833 --> 01:43:09,375
Of course, they are thinking about how
to sell it to you so you fall for it.
1881
01:43:09,375 --> 01:43:14,083
So it does seem important to me to ask
ourselves this question like well, uh,
1882
01:43:14,166 --> 01:43:19,583
because we consume, uh, uh, that, because
we smoke, because we drink and then,
1883
01:43:19,583 --> 01:43:25,041
well, yes, it can be something
circumstantial that I like to feel, watch a movie, uh?
1884
01:43:25,541 --> 01:43:29,666
And get Pacheco because I enjoy black
and white more that way.
1885
01:43:29,875 --> 01:43:31,875
Not because I like to disconnect, which
it also is.
1886
01:43:31,875 --> 01:43:34,291
It is a conscious way of seeing
consumption.
1887
01:43:34,291 --> 01:43:37,833
Oh Planet, I want to disconnect, which
is sometimes what I do, honestly
1888
01:43:37,833 --> 01:43:40,291
I'm tired of my life, I'm tired of what
happens.
1889
01:43:40,291 --> 01:43:43,541
Uh-huh, I want to disconnect and consume
some substances.
1890
01:43:43,541 --> 01:43:44,416
Exactly, but.
1891
01:43:44,416 --> 01:43:51,750
But like that if one knows when the
substance is surpassing one, right?
1892
01:43:51,833 --> 01:43:53,916
And then there it is like well.
1893
01:43:53,916 --> 01:43:55,666
What if I don't do it?
1894
01:43:55,666 --> 01:43:57,083
It happened to me with alcohol, right?
1895
01:43:57,083 --> 01:43:59,000
That is, alcohol, uh?
1896
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:03,958
I could no longer go out without drinking
and the next day I felt super bad.
1897
01:44:04,250 --> 01:44:08,000
And says But why am I doing something
that is no longer making me feel good?
1898
01:44:08,375 --> 01:44:12,458
And there I made a decision of well, I'm
going to do this, I don't want to drink,
1899
01:44:12,750 --> 01:44:16,583
I want to see what happens, what happens
if I don't drink, uh?
1900
01:44:16,583 --> 01:44:20,125
And do things differently just to see
what happens?
1901
01:44:20,458 --> 01:44:23,708
Yes, totally, look,
I identify with what you mention,
1902
01:44:23,708 --> 01:44:29,666
because I also, when I saw
that the way I was consuming
1903
01:44:29,666 --> 01:44:33,375
was consuming me,
it sounds like propaganda.
1904
01:44:33,375 --> 01:44:36,166
Guadalupe Rosa de Rosa de Guadalupe.
1905
01:44:36,166 --> 01:44:36,625
But yes.
1906
01:44:36,625 --> 01:44:41,000
I mean, when I realized
that I was putting my life at risk,
1907
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:44,000
I mean, like imagining myself with a drop
1908
01:44:44,333 --> 01:44:46,916
with a crazy eye, or do I have it?
1909
01:44:46,916 --> 01:44:49,541
Right now, I remembered other moments,
1910
01:44:49,541 --> 01:44:54,083
but it started to become
something I didn't enjoy.
1911
01:44:54,083 --> 01:44:54,500
You know?
1912
01:44:55,708 --> 01:44:58,416
And now, from another experience,
I know
1913
01:44:58,416 --> 01:45:02,041
that it is something I can enjoy.
1914
01:45:02,041 --> 01:45:02,541
Sure.
1915
01:45:02,541 --> 01:45:05,458
But it has also been based
1916
01:45:05,458 --> 01:45:08,916
on a work of self-knowledge,
of knowing that I have like a
1917
01:45:10,041 --> 01:45:13,625
a personality
with addictive tendencies, right?
1918
01:45:13,666 --> 01:45:17,041
I mean, it's like, also,
I mean, I feel that a lot of
1919
01:45:17,041 --> 01:45:20,166
information that has been denied to us
is required, that has been biased,
1920
01:45:20,458 --> 01:45:24,500
that has been manipulated in a certain way
to just bring us closer to drugs.
1921
01:45:25,083 --> 01:45:25,416
From.
1922
01:45:25,416 --> 01:45:29,458
Fear, from stigma,
from guilt
1923
01:45:29,458 --> 01:45:33,208
and all that has not allowed us to,
well, that,
1924
01:45:33,208 --> 01:45:36,958
to be informed in a way that we can,
like decide.
1925
01:45:37,291 --> 01:45:40,083
And also, just that, like being,
1926
01:45:40,083 --> 01:45:43,666
like conscious
and also being aware, like also
1927
01:45:44,250 --> 01:45:49,708
having and always looking for the tools
to be constantly self-critical, right?
1928
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:52,500
I mean, I connect a lot with
what you were saying about.
1929
01:45:52,500 --> 01:45:53,958
Of eh.
1930
01:45:55,250 --> 01:45:57,083
This video that
1931
01:45:57,083 --> 01:46:00,250
Aranza made, not about cigarettes,
because
1932
01:46:01,375 --> 01:46:03,958
I have identified,
1933
01:46:03,958 --> 01:46:08,041
I have bought the story of the femme
fatale who smokes all the time and is.
1934
01:46:08,041 --> 01:46:10,458
So. And how is this relationship?
1935
01:46:10,458 --> 01:46:14,416
I mean, like understanding these
stereotypes that are also linked,
1936
01:46:14,416 --> 01:46:18,666
right? I mean, with this type of things,
for example, the consumption of marijuana.
1937
01:46:18,666 --> 01:46:23,416
The truth is that I must recognize
that when I was studying
1938
01:46:23,791 --> 01:46:25,583
social anthropology,
1939
01:46:25,583 --> 01:46:28,916
it was like suddenly I said, of course,
part of my personality as a
1940
01:46:28,916 --> 01:46:32,083
good anthropology student
was smoking marijuana.
1941
01:46:32,083 --> 01:46:35,208
If I in high school, I mean,
I mean, because it was part of all
1942
01:46:35,208 --> 01:46:38,666
the stereotype and of everything,
of everything that was there that said like.
1943
01:46:38,875 --> 01:46:41,791
And was my need to belong so great
1944
01:46:41,791 --> 01:46:44,833
that I said, well, I'll do it, right?
1945
01:46:44,875 --> 01:46:46,583
I mean, maybe I didn't say it
1946
01:46:46,583 --> 01:46:50,500
that as often as the majority,
like the problematic ex-boyfriend I had,
1947
01:46:50,500 --> 01:46:56,583
that it was already an addiction that he
couldn't even spend three hours.
1948
01:46:56,583 --> 01:46:58,791
I think, without being.
1949
01:46:58,791 --> 01:47:03,166
Pacheco, Pacheco
and this. Pacheco is a great term.
1950
01:47:03,166 --> 01:47:05,958
Now that I think about it.
If it sounds nice to you.
1951
01:47:05,958 --> 01:47:08,125
Sounds cool, huh?
1952
01:47:08,125 --> 01:47:10,000
Yeah, and that doesn't?
1953
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:14,000
I, now that you mention that, I also
remembered
1954
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:17,458
another anecdote with another friend,
ex-friend
1955
01:47:18,125 --> 01:47:21,333
that I remember that she shared with me
about her daughter.
1956
01:47:21,333 --> 01:47:22,041
There to be.
1957
01:47:22,041 --> 01:47:25,375
Prudent, to tell this anecdote that she
shared with me
1958
01:47:25,375 --> 01:47:30,625
that her daughter was exchanging nude
photos with another person, and she me.
1959
01:47:30,625 --> 01:47:32,875
She asked me, it was my mom.
Not the one who wrote
1960
01:47:34,250 --> 01:47:36,916
Valeria helped Marvin, I, the.
1961
01:47:36,916 --> 01:47:38,541
She is sharing photos.
1962
01:47:38,541 --> 01:47:39,333
Intimate and.
1963
01:47:39,333 --> 01:47:42,333
Right, she was telling me she asked me
for advice, like you,
1964
01:47:42,666 --> 01:47:45,500
why would you do it like my daughter?
1965
01:47:45,500 --> 01:47:48,500
Her daughter was in puberty,
preadolescence
1966
01:47:48,583 --> 01:47:51,583
already entering adolescence, huh?
1967
01:47:52,041 --> 01:47:54,750
Uh-huh. Like having this exchange
1968
01:47:54,750 --> 01:47:58,500
erotic flirting with another kid of the
same age.
1969
01:47:59,166 --> 01:48:03,416
And I was telling her, listen, if I were
a mom,
1970
01:48:04,833 --> 01:48:07,833
in the hypothetical case that I were a
mom,
1971
01:48:08,083 --> 01:48:10,416
what I would do is inform
1972
01:48:10,416 --> 01:48:14,166
the girl about the advantages and
disadvantages of sharing.
1973
01:48:14,166 --> 01:48:15,416
Sure. I mean, like.
1974
01:48:15,416 --> 01:48:18,458
You smoke and all this can happen to
you,
1975
01:48:18,708 --> 01:48:21,541
but this can also happen to you, right?
1976
01:48:21,541 --> 01:48:23,333
Advantages and disadvantages, huh?
1977
01:48:23,333 --> 01:48:24,833
You share a cloud?
1978
01:48:24,833 --> 01:48:30,083
That's what can happen and that's what
can happen from the good, right?
1979
01:48:30,958 --> 01:48:35,750
Like if one had clear this that you were
saying, like this panorama of advantages
1980
01:48:35,750 --> 01:48:39,750
and disadvantages, then one already
knows what risks one can take
1981
01:48:40,750 --> 01:48:42,291
and also how you can
1982
01:48:42,291 --> 01:48:45,291
take care of yourself against those
risks, not like now.
1983
01:48:45,416 --> 01:48:49,208
WhatsApp has the option that you can see
the photo once
1984
01:48:49,500 --> 01:48:53,375
and that there is no trace of that
photo, huh?
1985
01:48:53,625 --> 01:48:54,708
Or I don't know, like there are
1986
01:48:54,708 --> 01:48:59,541
several tools for one to take care of
themselves against possible risks
1987
01:48:59,791 --> 01:49:02,625
and I feel that the same would happen
with substances, right?
1988
01:49:02,625 --> 01:49:05,708
How can you take care of yourself in
this way, huh?
1989
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:10,583
I don't know if you want to have a trip
with some substance, huh?
1990
01:49:10,583 --> 01:49:13,833
I don't know, water or a person who is
not, I mean, like
1991
01:49:13,833 --> 01:49:17,375
these things they do in the consumption
rooms, huh?
1992
01:49:17,666 --> 01:49:19,666
And I feel that
1993
01:49:19,666 --> 01:49:22,916
that would also help us to make
conscious decisions
1994
01:49:22,916 --> 01:49:28,583
about our consumption and not simply
like consuming and suddenly
1995
01:49:28,708 --> 01:49:30,916
yes, take risks like hooking up with
the crazy one
1996
01:49:30,916 --> 01:49:34,000
in the eye and who knows what would
have happened and or Garth in the sea.
1997
01:49:34,500 --> 01:49:35,333
And that also just
1998
01:49:35,333 --> 01:49:39,041
I think that care is like an essential
part, especially when you are going to consume.
1999
01:49:39,041 --> 01:49:42,375
I mean, really, another anecdote
comes from there
2000
01:49:42,833 --> 01:49:46,833
that well, yes, it made me somewhat
humble, huh?
2001
01:49:46,833 --> 01:49:49,833
I went to a concert with a friend.
2002
01:49:49,916 --> 01:49:54,291
And, uh-huh, we consumed before
the concert.
2003
01:49:54,291 --> 01:49:58,166
And I don't know what, and I, uh,
usually not usually.
2004
01:49:58,166 --> 01:50:00,208
Well, sometimes I suffer from anxiety.
2005
01:50:00,208 --> 01:50:03,625
So if I'm in enclosed spaces
with a lot of people,
2006
01:50:04,125 --> 01:50:07,833
uh, with little space around me,
I usually get
2007
01:50:07,833 --> 01:50:12,291
very nervous, and I didn't take
that into account when consuming.
2008
01:50:12,291 --> 01:50:16,250
Before entering the concert,
which was in a venue that was
2009
01:50:16,250 --> 01:50:17,125
super closed.
2010
01:50:17,125 --> 01:50:21,375
Not all of us were crammed
in there, and then, uh, it occurred
2011
01:50:21,375 --> 01:50:25,208
to us to say, like, hey,
let's go to the front to see the
2012
01:50:25,208 --> 01:50:28,166
artist up close. And smell her.
And like, I don't know what.
2013
01:50:28,166 --> 01:50:31,625
We went, we were
right about halfway through the concert
2014
01:50:31,625 --> 01:50:34,458
and suddenly I start to feel
really bad.
2015
01:50:34,458 --> 01:50:39,500
I mean, I said I'm going to faint
at any moment, and I turned and said
2016
01:50:39,500 --> 01:50:40,166
like, hey, it's just that.
2017
01:50:41,125 --> 01:50:43,250
And also, I'm very accommodating.
2018
01:50:43,250 --> 01:50:47,125
So I was embarrassed to tell her
that I was feeling bad,
2019
01:50:47,166 --> 01:50:50,875
that I was about to faint, because
I said we did everything possible
2020
01:50:51,041 --> 01:50:52,791
to get to the front.
2021
01:50:52,791 --> 01:50:56,541
We're already at the front of the
stage, it's the middle of the concert,
2022
01:50:56,791 --> 01:51:00,625
she's singing our favorite song, how
am I going to say, like, hey,
2023
01:51:00,958 --> 01:51:03,958
I'm about to faint,
I want to leave.
2024
01:51:03,958 --> 01:51:07,083
So I kind of said that doesn't
matter, because, I mean,
2025
01:51:07,083 --> 01:51:11,750
I was already starting to feel
cold inside, like it's over.
2026
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:13,833
I think I was just about to.
2027
01:51:13,833 --> 01:51:15,833
Fall down. At any moment.
2028
01:51:15,833 --> 01:51:17,875
So I turned and said, like, Hey.
2029
01:51:17,875 --> 01:51:20,541
Sorry, I mean, still sorry.
2030
01:51:20,541 --> 01:51:22,500
The ego, but I'm feeling.
2031
01:51:22,500 --> 01:51:24,041
Super bad and I.
2032
01:51:24,041 --> 01:51:28,250
I said I'm about to faint and
she said, no,
2033
01:51:28,250 --> 01:51:32,333
don't worry, relax, we'll leave now,
and it was just like a whole
2034
01:51:32,333 --> 01:51:36,416
process of care, of containment,
also of attention,
2035
01:51:36,750 --> 01:51:40,500
that yes, they are, yes, spaces in
which
2036
01:51:40,500 --> 01:51:44,750
that are now beginning to emerge, not
like these spaces in which
2037
01:51:45,166 --> 01:51:49,125
in the concerts
and others that can help this care
2038
01:51:49,125 --> 01:51:51,833
and this containment
of when you decide to consume,
2039
01:51:51,833 --> 01:51:55,958
but also having these spaces
of care between friends, between
2040
01:51:55,958 --> 01:52:00,083
acquaintances with whom you decide, well,
yes, to consume some substance to have
2041
01:52:01,041 --> 01:52:02,458
a good time, right?
2042
01:52:02,458 --> 01:52:06,083
I mean, having like this,
these cares also knowing like,
2043
01:52:06,500 --> 01:52:10,041
like the risks, what's going
to happen to you, right?
2044
01:52:10,041 --> 01:52:13,416
And I was also thinking,
complementing what you both say,
2045
01:52:13,416 --> 01:52:16,416
like in a non-punitive approach to
2046
01:52:16,875 --> 01:52:19,916
drug use and also to the attention
2047
01:52:19,916 --> 01:52:23,333
to people who may
not be in my circumstance,
2048
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:28,208
for example, which is like consuming
creatively and creating a space,
2049
01:52:28,541 --> 01:52:32,041
either to cultivate
or consume or share, but
2050
01:52:32,916 --> 01:52:36,916
accepting that there is consumption
and that the risks
2051
01:52:37,666 --> 01:52:40,750
and the damage is reduced as much as
possible for people who already have
2052
01:52:40,958 --> 01:52:46,583
something like an addiction
or problematic use, not like
2053
01:52:47,208 --> 01:52:51,375
syringe exchange, for example.
2054
01:52:51,541 --> 01:52:53,625
That is, many actions
that can be taken.
2055
01:52:53,625 --> 01:52:55,583
But I feel that for that
we also need just
2056
01:52:55,583 --> 01:52:59,875
an anti-punitive,
anti-racist, and gendered look.
2057
01:52:59,875 --> 01:53:02,166
And obviously, I mean,
like everything, well, moral.
2058
01:53:02,166 --> 01:53:03,083
But it's just, o.
2059
01:53:03,083 --> 01:53:04,166
I mean, if I'm realizing
2060
01:53:04,166 --> 01:53:07,958
that it's just like one more
piece of the puzzle, right?
2061
01:53:08,250 --> 01:53:11,291
Like I hadn't analyzed
or thought about the issue
2062
01:53:11,291 --> 01:53:14,750
of drugs or consumption
and the relationship with drugs.
2063
01:53:15,083 --> 01:53:15,958
I mean, like yes,
2064
01:53:15,958 --> 01:53:20,125
well, as part of a whole,
but not in such an integral way.
2065
01:53:20,541 --> 01:53:24,375
Yeah, I don't know, it's like now
I'm just getting a lot of insights
2066
01:53:24,375 --> 01:53:25,125
and things are falling into place.
2067
01:53:25,125 --> 01:53:29,666
I feel it's a topic that can be
discussed from anti-racism to gender,
2068
01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:31,833
I mean, from a lot of places.
2069
01:53:31,833 --> 01:53:32,333
You know what?
2070
01:53:32,333 --> 01:53:38,416
I mean, this, this seems so strong
to me, because right here I noted
2071
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:40,916
I write one like this.
2072
01:53:40,916 --> 01:53:44,833
I don't know why the rings are born to
me, but just in this text that I shared,
2073
01:53:44,916 --> 01:53:49,291
uh, they talk about this Nixon.
2074
01:53:49,666 --> 01:53:54,583
In 1969, an American president
started the war on drugs,
2075
01:53:54,583 --> 01:53:58,458
but this war on drugs
was to militarize black neighborhoods,
2076
01:53:58,458 --> 01:53:59,333
Latino neighborhoods,
2077
01:53:59,333 --> 01:54:02,958
immigrant neighborhoods,
working-class neighborhoods in the US.
2078
01:54:03,291 --> 01:54:04,375
And so I'm thinking
2079
01:54:04,375 --> 01:54:08,291
about the war on drugs that Calderón
did against the narcos a few.
2080
01:54:08,291 --> 01:54:10,500
Years ago, it was the same thing. Exact.
2081
01:54:10,500 --> 01:54:12,416
And the same thing happened in Colombia.
2082
01:54:12,416 --> 01:54:14,291
I mean, in Colombia, uh?
2083
01:54:14,291 --> 01:54:17,750
The policy of Álvaro Uribe Vélez, the
2084
01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:20,750
the king of the basement of hells.
2085
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:23,666
That's what a journalist
there in Colombia calls him,
2086
01:54:23,666 --> 01:54:26,833
that uh, with all his policy
of democratic security.
2087
01:54:27,083 --> 01:54:32,958
I mean, it was like how are we going
to fight against these dangerous narco
2088
01:54:33,250 --> 01:54:37,041
drug traffickers? The guerrillas who are
against Colombia, but who also
2089
01:54:37,208 --> 01:54:40,208
finance themselves
from drug trafficking, right?
2090
01:54:40,208 --> 01:54:43,500
And no, no. It's not entirely a lie, but.
2091
01:54:43,500 --> 01:54:46,958
But of course, emphasizing
that these guerrillas were
2092
01:54:47,333 --> 01:54:50,000
financed with drugs
2093
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:53,708
made that national hatred increase.
2094
01:54:53,708 --> 01:54:57,750
Of course, they said yes,
we need an army in the field
2095
01:54:57,750 --> 01:55:02,666
and then the military command
made all of Colombia and the war was brutal,
2096
01:55:02,916 --> 01:55:07,083
but they didn't kill
and didn't eliminate the bad guys,
2097
01:55:07,375 --> 01:55:10,583
but the working peasant people.
2098
01:55:10,583 --> 01:55:13,041
Those who owed the least. Exact. So. I mean,
2099
01:55:14,750 --> 01:55:15,958
now just
2100
01:55:15,958 --> 01:55:19,583
also like I can understand
a little more about the war,
2101
01:55:19,916 --> 01:55:24,666
those wars, like we have lived through
in these southern countries,
2102
01:55:24,958 --> 01:55:28,583
not with these shitty fascist governments,
2103
01:55:28,916 --> 01:55:33,291
the ones that have focused on,
in the public discourse, talking
2104
01:55:33,291 --> 01:55:37,375
badly about drugs, have justified
all that deployment of weapons and also
2105
01:55:37,375 --> 01:55:39,041
the American presence.
2106
01:55:39,041 --> 01:55:42,916
So the United States
has military bases in Colombia,
2107
01:55:42,916 --> 01:55:46,541
in Mexico, in Guatemala,
that is, in all the countries,
2108
01:55:46,708 --> 01:55:50,708
they have a military presence, because
they are supposedly the good guys in the story
2109
01:55:50,875 --> 01:55:54,416
and so
we have to end the bad drugs.
2110
01:55:54,458 --> 01:55:58,708
These bad drug traffickers,
these Latinos, no, well,
2111
01:55:58,750 --> 01:56:04,041
another idea that exists
is that the drug lords are Latinos, they're not.
2112
01:56:04,041 --> 01:56:09,750
The typical, I don't know, the Pablo Escobar
like a guy with a colorful guayabera, dude.
2113
01:56:09,750 --> 01:56:14,666
The drug lords are also European,
they are white businessmen in ties
2114
01:56:14,666 --> 01:56:18,541
that one would never in their life imagine
that they are dedicated to the drug market,
2115
01:56:18,541 --> 01:56:23,250
because for them it is also a market
in which it is profitable to invest.
2116
01:56:23,625 --> 01:56:25,416
The ones from the pharmaceutical companies too.
2117
01:56:25,416 --> 01:56:29,875
Yes, and excuse me,
there is something that this Pablo also
2118
01:56:30,916 --> 01:56:33,208
mentions in another article.
2119
01:56:33,208 --> 01:56:36,583
It seems to me another investigation
that reminded me a little
2120
01:56:36,583 --> 01:56:39,708
of narrative practices,
because he mentioned something like
2121
01:56:40,041 --> 01:56:44,291
it is not a war against people,
but against drugs or something like that.
2122
01:56:44,291 --> 01:56:48,083
An apology if I am mentioning it wrong,
but it was as if it made reference
2123
01:56:48,083 --> 01:56:52,041
to the fact that the emphasis
of the prohibition has been placed
2124
01:56:52,250 --> 01:56:56,541
on the person who consumes
and not as in a lot of things.
2125
01:56:56,541 --> 01:56:57,625
Especially in the.
2126
01:56:57,625 --> 01:57:02,125
Production, in the distribution,
like a lot of things
2127
01:57:02,125 --> 01:57:05,375
and not only in who is,
is consuming.
2128
01:57:06,083 --> 01:57:09,458
It is very strong and I feel that this
topic gives us for a lot,
2129
01:57:10,041 --> 01:57:13,708
because also the topic of drug trafficking
is something very strong
2130
01:57:13,708 --> 01:57:16,708
and that would need another episode
to continue.
2131
01:57:16,791 --> 01:57:19,750
I, I really
don't understand drug trafficking, I mean, no,
2132
01:57:19,750 --> 01:57:21,166
no, I can't understand it.
2133
01:57:21,166 --> 01:57:23,875
I mean, my head doesn't give me enough to
2134
01:57:23,875 --> 01:57:27,208
to understand this
that we are experiencing right now in Mexico.
2135
01:57:27,208 --> 01:57:31,583
But what I am clear about
is that all drugs should be legal.
2136
01:57:32,125 --> 01:57:34,916
For. Up, the. Of the drugs
2137
01:57:35,916 --> 01:57:37,041
No, well.
2138
01:57:37,041 --> 01:57:41,250
We will continue talking because yes, well,
as we tell you it is a topic, that is,
2139
01:57:41,458 --> 01:57:45,458
many times we say like
it is a new topic, but this one yes, that is,
2140
01:57:45,458 --> 01:57:50,875
it is a topic that is just barely
entering my brain just barely. Huh?
2141
01:57:51,333 --> 01:57:55,083
But well, there are many ways,
many angles from which
2142
01:57:55,083 --> 01:57:58,958
to be able to talk about it
and it would be interesting that, uh,
2143
01:57:59,250 --> 01:58:02,208
well, we can even integrate from Afrochingonas
2144
01:58:02,208 --> 01:58:05,208
as a look too,
2145
01:58:05,541 --> 01:58:08,083
that is, as a positioning,
well, I mean.
2146
01:58:08,083 --> 01:58:11,708
That is, not not, not right
now, but that we can talk about it
2147
01:58:11,708 --> 01:58:14,708
to build it, right? Also.
2148
01:58:15,166 --> 01:58:18,375
Well yes, well well yes, well.
2149
01:58:18,791 --> 01:58:24,500
We have reached the end of this first
episode of the 8th season.
2150
01:58:24,500 --> 01:58:25,791
I mean, I can't believe it.
2151
01:58:25,791 --> 01:58:29,125
First venue of the 8th season
of AfroChingonas.
2152
01:58:29,125 --> 01:58:33,166
We thank you very much for
being here with us, huh?
2153
01:58:33,833 --> 01:58:35,833
Witnessing all this magic.
2154
01:58:35,833 --> 01:58:37,458
The Afro universe,
2155
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:39,750
the universe of
2156
01:58:39,750 --> 01:58:43,541
flowers, colors, and thank you
very much to my colleagues.
2157
01:58:43,541 --> 01:58:46,541
I remind you that we have a.
2158
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:49,708
I'll tell you anyway.
2159
01:58:49,708 --> 01:58:52,583
That we have Patreon, Instagram,
2160
01:58:52,583 --> 01:58:55,833
TikTok, X, uh, YouTube.
2161
01:58:55,916 --> 01:58:58,916
You can find us as @Afrochingonas
in all of them.
2162
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:01,750
And well, thank you very much, girls.
2163
01:59:01,750 --> 01:59:03,208
Thank you for joining us.
2164
01:59:03,208 --> 01:59:04,541
Remember that.
2165
01:59:04,541 --> 01:59:07,458
Alone we are seed, together, field.
2166
01:59:07,458 --> 01:59:10,458
Flowered.
2167
01:59:12,208 --> 01:59:14,208
For this self-managed project.
2168
01:59:14,208 --> 01:59:15,833
We combine our powers.
2169
01:59:15,833 --> 01:59:19,791
I, Marbella, with much love,
collaborate with the cover images.
2170
01:59:19,916 --> 01:59:22,916
I, Scarlet, take care of the editing and I.
2171
01:59:23,416 --> 01:59:24,916
I write. The script.
2172
01:59:24,916 --> 01:59:26,625
Thank you very much for listening.